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Weird Tools, Bike Sizing Woes, Radial Tires, Road Trips & More... Ep. 165 [Podcast]
Today on the podcast, the guys briefly discuss the demise of superboost as well as Jared's new ASR build and off season training regiments before jumping into a classic set of listener questions ranging from modern bike sizing to tire recommendations, weird tools and everything in between. Tune in!
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 165 of the MTB podcast presented and
hosted by Worldwide Cycling Kettle Mountain Apparel and Trail One Components. I'm Jared. I'm Liam.
I don't know what order we do this in. You're last out. Uh I'm Jeff.
That is correct. Ladies and gentlemen, in this episode, we will discuss some new bikes and offseason training, plus
some classic listener questions, ranging from being in between bike sizes to tire recommendations and everything in
between and more signals from the bike industry that Super Boost is likely finally going
to die. Super Boost is dead. Yes. Yeah, we love that. less standards,
which maybe that's a great thing to talk about before we even get into Zach's words of wisdom because how many new bikes have come out that were super
boost that then have now realized ah it's it's over. We're not doing that again. Honestly, they've eaten Crow Super Boost.
Not a lot. Definitely the Who are the main Evil and Pivot and Pivot?
Anyone else really jump on that bandwagon? I can't remember. Did Salsa do that before?
I don't think so. You know what? Salsa's on it. Did they have it? And yeah, they did because uh that's why we never built
that bike up. I mean, just having a couple brands do it and then also a whole bunch of brands just never adopt it is enough that it's
over. It's kind of the writing on the wall as like, hey, yeah, what are you guys doing? I I think we talked about this probably
on the pod before, but remember when we had that idea to make a change.org petition? Yeah. Kill Super Boost.
And then you'd looked into it and you did some research like, well, it turns out you can't use change.org or for, you
know, satire things or Yeah. basically things that don't matter. Turns out
turns out it's for meaningful things you want to change in the world, not mountain bikers complaining about a
stupid new hub standard. But no, you know, things are settling in, right? Uh Threaded BB's have made a swift
comeback. And Salsa has reverted on their newest mountain bike, the Blackthorn.
It's actually a sweet bike if you haven't looked at it. Yeah, dude. The Salsa Blackthorn and Cassidy were probably some of the most
sleeper bikes ever. And that new XC bike they Yeah, they they've recently released a
Blackish bike in the Is it the Spearfish? The XC bike, the new Spearfish, I believe.
You know what though? They kind of just like fumbled with like the colors and the branding, you know? It's like they
had cool concepts, but they just didn't they're not really in tune with just
modern mountain bike style aesthetic branding. I don't know. One of Yeah, one of the
colors is kind of odd. It's like neon green, but their flight attendant bike looks sweet and their frame only looks sweet.
You know what I mean though? Like that Cassidy is like purple and red and yellow. It was Well, no, the new ones. They came out
new ones. Yeah, they came off new ones. Yeah, the Cassidy they didn't update, but the up the spearfish is the XC. The
Blackthorn is a 145 mil rear travel bike. And those look great. I would ride one.
They are pretty sweet. Yeah. I mean, they do a really good job at designing those things. Long story short, they were super boost
or stupid boost. Yeah. And now they have reverted to standard boost. Rejoice.
Rejoice. Wheel sets for all. and we will revert back to Zach's words of wisdom.
Inspiration is a guest that does not willingly visit the lazy, which I am told was actually your words of wisdom
and repurposed his words of wisdom from a Scott Galloway email. James Clear, not James. You didn't read
it. You know, that would have been in your inbox, too, bud. That That's one of those things that um
Yeah, I do read it. I read it every week. Sounds like you're getting caught skimming right now. I mean the one that
I sent you and everyone in the company. I read it. You know, I read a million quotes. They don't always they don't
stick with me all the time. Apparently, I was a little lazy reading it and it didn't really willingly visit me.
Um James Clear is a prolific author. His most notable book is Atomic Habits and
he has a weekly email on Thursdays called 321. I think it's three quotes in
a question or something like that. It's usually about a fivem minute read. Three. Yeah. Three three ideas. three ideas,
two quotes, one question, something like that. Um, fantastic email subscription
newsletter. Really good. Great newsletter. All right, James Clear's uh this is just
my confusion there. His little um You're mixing up two bald white guys, Scott and James.
Correct. That's what I'm doing. I just looked up an image of them because their little head shot on Gmail
looks very similar. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's it's it's two two bald white guys that are thought leaders in
business and productivity. And I just read I was going to call you up for mixing those two guys up. Not the first or last
time. Scotty is a legend. But that's Yeah, that is where that quote came from cuz that last uh it was
last Thursday. That quote was in his 321 email. So, we're all just ripping off words of
wisdom from one another. Correct. So, I mean that's not even I bet you that's not even his quote. A lot of what he puts is other he just he curates the
quotes. I think sometimes it is, but I think he curates them most of the time. Yeah. But that's the point. It's it's finding
these really amazing quotes. Um you know the So the one that I actually
liked more in that uh let me see if I can find it. It was a longer quote, wasn't it, that
you put in that email. It it was this this was the one that um the one that was more important that was
in that email, which is what looks like a talent gap is often a focus gap. The quote unquote all-star is often an
average to above average performer who spends more time working on what is important and less time on distractions.
The talent is staying focused, which I just think is unbelievably relevant to
modern times. Uh because there is an infinite number of distractions that are
sucking away our time and attention on useless crap and it makes people not productive and not progress.
I wholeheartedly agree. This has gone far away from mountain bike talk. wholeheartedly agree.
We're five minutes in and we have been a Yeah, we did talk about stupid boost. You got your your double dose of words
of wisdom. And now here is Daniel's fun fact. We are progressing. Jeff,
honey never spoils. If sealed properly, it could still be edible thousands of years later. Archaeologists have eaten
ancient Egyptian honey without issue. What do you think about that? I knew that. Are you guys common honey consumers?
Yeah, I eat honey almost every day. I love honey. Local honey. I try. Yeah, local. Yeah,
I have that uh Mu honey. Mu honey? Yeah. Let me So, I don't know.
It's legendary healing honey from New Zealand. Wow. I haven't actually looked into it. I
think I did a long time ago before like chat GPT and everything, but local honey helps with allergies,
right? Not going to say. Not not that's just what I've Oh, yeah. come to understand, but it's
not fact. I'm not That's your experience. I don't even know if it works. But
I mean, I I to sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've I've heard that, too, but I
have I have not done the research to find any evidence to back that up or cared too much about it. Are you asking Peter right now?
No. I was more looking up that uh Oh, it's manu honey. That's what I was trying to say. Manu or Monu.
But you know when honey crystallizes? Yes. Pop it in the microwave and it comes right back to normal. I personally love
it when it crystallizes cuz I can eat it like with a spoon and it's like a little it's almost like a little candy bar and
it's like but it's hard to get out sometimes if you have like certain containers for sure. It needs to be in like a jar
which I went we went to this like farmers market in Santa Barbara and I got this Santa Barbara honey when it has like it's in a little jar and the guy
like wrote on the top of it and I was like you know it's good like this guy's you know it's a oneman operation basically and this is like the best
honey I've ever had in my life. Super good. Yeah. I think that used to be Ventura honey
I think. Yeah, there's I mean remember that Oh, you weren't No, like actual like it's called Ventura
Honey. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The So that the top of Bony Mountain right now um this is in the San Monica
Mountain Range for those of you listening. There is a big cracked rock that you can walk through and there is a abandoned
beehive that's probably 15 ft up in that crack. That crack's probably 20 feet and
you can kind of Spider-Man scramble up to it and it's a big abandoned beehive. Perfect honeycomb shape still there.
It's really cool looking. Um on the side of the rock wall. You didn't scramble up there and eat any honey out of it.
I did, but there was no honey in there. Oh, it's Yeah, it's all kind of dried up. It's all white. Clearly was not sealed properly.
This is an actual bee. Like canned honey. Oh man. Well, how about a f a fantastic
testimonial? I'm a longtime listener to the podcast starting before Worldwide Cycling took over. I normally listen on
my commute, but like most federal employees, I am currently furled, so I'm riding a lot. While driving home from my
ride yesterday at the Frederick wershed, I caught the episode where you discussed the new trail one shed wheel set and sponsorship of the Moco Epic. The trail
used for the Moco Epic are my home trails, and I normally ride the shed once a week. More, our local trail
organization, does a phenomenal job advocating for mountain biking in the Mid-Atlantic region. I encourage everyone to join their local trail
organization, even at the minimum threshold, because advocacy groups point to membership figures to justify
investment in trails when working with government bodies. Larger membership numbers make a more compelling case.
Thank you for your investment in our community. Every dollar counts, and I hope the Trail One shed wheels are a
success. Best wishes, Frank. Thanks, Frank. Thanks, Frank. Frank the Tank.
Frank the Tank. Frank the Tank. Frank the Tank. Appreciate your kind words, Frank. Yeah, that's cool. I mean, we we do a
lot of uh support of all sorts of trail stewardships. I mean, literally, that's the foundation of Trail One Components.
Um, but he I I never thought about this. He has a good point. Join the local organization because, um, they use those
membership numbers to advocate for funds. Yeah, I'm actually I'm a member of Moore.
You are? Uh, yep. But, uh, that I never thought about that. That's a honestly, it's a
good that's a good idea. Maybe we should just join more of these organizations that matter. Yeah, we should. Especially the local ones.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. So, that would be like uh Costco or
Well, ones that don't suck. The ones on that. I knew that was coming. Sage. Yeah, Sage is awesome.
Yeah, Sage is awesome. Which is just north of us, but ones here. Yeah. A lot
of a lot to be desired. A lot of height towards them. Yeah. They don't exactly represent the
riders, you'd say. Yeah, that's Yeah. Anyways, without going down the rabbit hole on cosplay,
which one of those things if you don't have anything nice, don't say it at all. Yeah. Continue on. Speaking of nice things, how about some
bikes and rides we've been enjoying lately? Willie. Nada.
Well, but you have been getting outside. I've been exercising. Yeah. Jeff tried to call me out just before this episode for like, you're going to eat three
peanut butter cups on a no exercise day. And I was like, no exercise, dude. I Oh, you haven't been exercising much.
You just been sitting there? Yeah, I had a broken wrist. Yeah. Well, still you still do? I still do. Yeah, but
I think he can afford it, man. He's No, I can't actually. I don't want to get I don't want to get fat. So, Jeff
would be correct. 3 weeks ago, but within the last 3 weeks I've been hiking, bodyweight workouts for legs and
abs. And last two weeks I've been running. So, I ran five miles on the trail today. Nice. Um the listeners are going to love to hear
that. So, yeah, I don't know. I'll run three times a week, build up my miles
till I can finally ride a bike again. But um yeah, I will say it was pretty I did
basically no movement for 5 weeks. Like barely started walking the dog. Um just soft I was in a soft cast for
three and a half weeks. So like everything was sketchy to do, right? If if I tripped, I would have broken my arm
again, you know? Yeah. So careful trail running too. I'm pretty good now. I mean, I have this
brace on. Like, I don't know. No, I'm just saying cuz you could I've I've a couple times.
I could I could trip definitely. Um, but I did my first bodyweight leg
workout. Literally body weight, like two sets of like, you know, squats with a
core exercise, lunges and a core exercise, and uh crab watch with a core exercise. Like two sets of everything.
And the first one I did, I was so sore. Like hard getting on the toilet sore.
Ooh. So sad. No weights, no nothing. You know, like those are some of the best workout.
Back a few months and doing like, you know, goblin squats with a 60 lb kettle bell. And like now I'm doing body weights and
I'm sore. Pretty sad. You lose it fast. But you do lose it fast. I already also gained it fast. Like I'm already, you know, double tripled that
workout and everything. But nice. Yeah. You're coming back. I've been doing that. Yeah. you're coming back.
And I started proper PT this week too on the wrist. So like a lot of strength and mo a little bit I should say a little
bit of strength mostly getting the range of motion back and working on that and pushing it. So nice.
Yeah. Now I'm back to being her wrist is just throbbing every night from doing the workouts. But yeah.
Oh well. The way she goes. That's the way she goes. But I have not been riding very much.
So, after the 100mile Moco Epic, um, which was shortly after I spent 4 days
straight in Colorado hiding all those treasure jars, I put in a lot of hours and miles on the bike and on foot and in
Colorado and and prior to that, and then did the 100m mountain bike ride. Um, so, believe it or not, had a couple overuse
injuries that were nagging. I've got some weird knee pain that I'm trying to work through and figure out. And I also
ended up with uh paranal nerve compression which uh you know Jared was
laughing and said well if you want to talk about it talk about it. That's essenti you know but I don't know
I thought why not? I'm just it's an honest thing that was caused because of a ton of mountain biking. Yeah.
But I mean I can't believe I've never got it from an adventure race to be honest. But uh
cuz you don't shammy on an adventure race do you? Usually. Oh you do for the longer stages if it's more than
40 miles you do. Um, but uh I you know the 100 miles I did in that one
adventure race on day one of six of that race we did in 12 and a half or 13 hours and we were also off the bike pretty
often getting checkpoints. Um whereas the Moco Epic we were out there for a long time and uh way longer
than that cuz it was a slower pace. And yeah, I think what happens is you get
you kind of just get tired and lazy and maybe just accidentally not paying attention, slide too far too far forward
on your saddle off of your sitbones where you should have all your pressure or if they're a little painful, you kind of maybe accidentally slide forward on
them and then end up putting too much pressure on that uh know the correct terminology here. Gucc area
your prenium. Yeah. Is that the name of that thing? Um the spot in between the other spots. But anyway, so then that's, you know, kind
of connected to your urethra and the rest of the things down there. Um, and so it was a little bit painful to
urinate for a while and I thought this doesn't seem so good. Um, but then I did a little chat gpting and it's like it's
pretty normal. happens to people on long-distance cycling things and should go away in a few weeks and um just don't
go do any more long rides and if you know do if you do obviously don't sit any pressure there which I never
normally would and never normally do but in that case obviously I did it a little bit too much by accident yeah and when you do those long rides
like you get lazy in different ways too right like you're not properly sitting on the saddle maybe you're sliding
forward you know like like you said a spot might be sore you're or just your posture relax, right?
And it's if you're if you're fresh, all that stuff's fine. All your muscles are good. You don't even think about you got your saddle dialed in, you're perfectly,
but the second you start fatiguing and you get tired or lazy or this or that happens, then you start sliding forward or your p posture kind of goes and you
don't and then you got, oh, why am I sitting like that? You know, so anyway, so I haven't really been riding bikes because of my paranal nerve
compression, which has healed. It's all good. Everything's fine. Twig and berries are operating just perfectly. And
I I uh have been actually Liam let me borrow his Stinner Hard Tail, Thai hard
tail, which is pretty rad. And I've been doing some really mellow rides around around the neighborhood really on that thing just to keep the knee moving. Um
and then I've got a huge hike planned with a bunch of friends this weekend, a 41 mileer overnight hike. So I've been
trying to just be careful and take care of my knee and uh make sure I can do this hike.
You going to bust out some hiking poles? I'm definitely going to bring poles. Yeah. Yeah. Um just in case the thing flares up to
all hell and it'll be useful to have poles. It'll help a lot. Yeah. Big time. Yeah. I mean I think I
think it'll be fine. It's just I don't know. It's it's not an acute injury. It's not something torn. It's not super swollen. It's just some weird thing
where I have this sort of tendon ligament popping when I sort of bend my knee past 90°. Um which I think is just
an IT band knotting thing that's pulling on something. I don't know. If there's any actual legitimate hardcore knee
specialists out there that would like to give me a free consultation, send me an email, set up a video call.
Very well could be. We're going to get an email and it's going to be like, I know exactly what's wrong with you. And here's probably some expertise in sports
physiology that specializes in knees listening right now. So we have tons of listeners. You should
tell all your friends. Good work, man. So that's that's about
it for me. Um yeah, get ready for this weekend. They we got a lot of emails
when I like threw out like a half sarcastic like, "Oh, you have any medical bill advice? Shoot it my way."
Yeah. Jared sent me like five people that emailed advice or podcast to listen to and all these things. So,
yeah. No, I mean, every time we've ever seriously asked people email every time, oftent times too many, but it's
genuinely appreciated and honestly incredible that we have a community and listeners to the MTB podcast that are nice enough to do that sort of stuff.
So, great. Yeah. Thank you listeners. Thank you listeners for being so engaging and kind and also someone who has been riding bikes.
Okay, what's your excuse mate? Well, I don't have an excuse and I actually have been riding bikes. Um,
so yeah, I built up my new ASR which I'm super stoked on and it's got all the XTR
stuff. Pulled all the XTR stuff off my 140, put it on the ASR and a Fox 34
Stepcast. Went from Yeti to Yeti. Yeah, from Yeti to Yeti. Um, Fox 34 Stepcast. No, not Stepcast. S. Uh what's
the word? 34 SL. SL Y. Thank you, Lamb. That's not right what I said. Yes. 34 SL30 travel. Um Trail and
cockpit of course. XTR wheels. XC wheels. Um
I got Forecaster up front. Recon out back now. Very nice. I like.
Very nice. Very nice. Um gosh. Yeah. Fox Neo dropper post. All electronic.
Got beep boops in this sick new purple color. I'm jealous of the color. I love the color so much.
Sick Yeti. I hope it does look really good. Yeah. I don't know. That's a sick
finish. Thanks, Lamb. Yeah. Thanks Yeti for making a sick It looks sick on my sick color. They should
do more colors like this. You think they're only going to keep them on like the XC bikes? You think
they're going to do them on because Cody said that they had a red like like a arc
that's like this but red? Oh yeah, they did. Like that would be sick. Like a blood blood red almost. Yeah,
that's cool. Yeah. Does the ark still only have one water bottle cage? Yeah.
God, that is the dumbest. Yeah. Wait, isn't there another one underneath though?
That doesn't count. Doesn't count. No, I know it doesn't. I mean, yeah, it's stupid. That is crazy. I mean, it should have
two. Calling balls and strikes. Fan of Yeti. That was a dumb decision, boys.
But, uh, but yeah. So, anyway, honestly, I probably would have kept it if it had another one. Really? Yeah. Hard tails need two inframe cages.
Yeah. It's a hard tail. It's a hard tail. Yeah. You're not You're not like making room for rear shock or, you know, suspension
design, all these things. It's a carbon tube. No, I agree. You just put bosses in it. It's It's a
shame cuz it is a sick frame. I love that. It makes it so good. Just a sick bike.
Can't have an adventure bike with one water bottle. Yeah, it makes it a little tough, huh? It really does. Um but uh yeah, I've gotten a few rides
um in on that bike. Probably I don't know, maybe 80 miles on it so far. Last
few days. You rode over the weekend? Mhm. Shredded some Sycamore Canyon. Mhm. You know it. Yeah. Um, Sycamore is
just going to be like, you know, I might get a little sick of it. Oh, Sycamore.
Sick of it. You are not a dad yet. You can't be I know
laughing about that kind of joke. No, but honestly, it's um it's just the perfect tool for for around here.
Yeah. You know, especially with a little extra squish. We've praised that bike enough. Is good fun.
Yeah. I'm stoked to finally have one. Yeah. And uh just in time to really, you
know, to really hammer down and nail some offseason training. Offse what are you going to do for offseason training, Jared?
Well, I'm going to ride my ASR a ton, but you know, I thought about, you know, changing it up a little bit with some
strength training and might I might jump back into the world of train to ride with Didwell.
You going to do his program again? I don't know if I'm going to do the full program,
but I might take some bits and pieces. Honestly, I thought I mean I really should just full on dive in and do it. Like I still have all the material from
when he sent it. Um which is honestly probably like the best. I'm sure if you asked him he would send
you an extraate. Yeah. So for those who don't know, we talk
about this every offseason. Uh D. Tidwell, who is a uh super well-known mountain bike coach and a golf coach.
That's what we really need. Get him out here. Yeah. Funny. I have a lot of guys play golf here now. So maybe maybe you should ask him for the golf train.
Yeah. Oh, that's a great idea, Jeff. Does he help with like swing and stuff or like strength training and muscles to get better at golf?
I don't know cuz I never really looked into his golf stuff. Just his mountain bike stuff. I hope it's the swing because that's what I need the help with really.
He does an incredible job. Corwal. That's true. He's he's trained a ton of uh a ton of professional mountain bikers
and super good mountain bikers over the years and he has a really well done well-built training program with a ton
of visuals and videos and pictures and structure and it's awesome and he sells it for I don't know 100 bucks but our
special link gets you the thing for 75 bucks something like that. That sounds about right. Yeah. Um it's it's a incredible value for what he's
put together and how specific it is to mountain bikers and getting mountain bikers fit. Um and you know, you pay 75
bucks for something, you might be a little bit more inclined to actually do it. Yeah. True. Yeah. And also that kind of thing, you need
all those visuals and you need someone who knows what they're doing to tell you the mountain bike specific stuff and show you the workouts. So yeah, it's a
good it's a good setup. Yeah. I did an older one when it was called enduro mountain bikes, I think.
Yeah, because he's he's modified it and he makes it better every year, which is pretty nice. I did an older program fully through the
full I think it was 12 weeks, I want to say. Um, and it was awesome. Yeah, it was
great. Nice. Yeah. I mean, it's great because like all the material is obviously still
relevant and like you can I mean you can obviously just save it and do it every
year if you want to. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You kind of buy it once and you can use it every offseason. Yeah. or whenever it's convenient for
you to use it. I don't know if you mentioned it, but the he has all health like the, you know, nutrition stuff too.
Oh, okay. Which is pretty cool. Um addition um in recent years, yeah, I think but
yeah, he'll recommend you know like basically meal plans and and like a whole nutritional aspect of it as well. Yeah. Yeah. It's very comprehensive for
for getting a professional to put that together and pay for for that little money. It's a good deal. So, put that in the show notes, J.
I shall put that in the show notes. Um, I like just looking at those nutrition things to get like new ideas of meals to
make. For sure. Yeah, it can be easy to get like stuck in a rut, you know, culinary wise. It's hard
to always come up with new recipes. Like, you know, Andre is basically like the chef for his, you know, fire squad.
And he's like, I have not repeated a meal in the last like 3 months, like since I've started doing this. I'm like, how the how are you doing?
Yeah, my my girlfriend like often dislikes repeating meals. And I'm like, I have repeat meals every single week. I
like Yeah, the same thing at all the time. Yeah, I don't mind either. I'm a creature. Yeah, I'll change it up, but
like I could eat the same meal for lunch three days in a row and the next week I'll do it again three days in a row. Yeah.
Yeah, me too. Um but I'm like, "Wow." I mean, for me, like when I do a recipe
the first time, I'm always like, I miss like I miss something like I got to do this again to really Yeah.
dial it in, you know? Um, but yeah, anyways, check out Train to Ride. I'll
put in the show notes. Train to Ride with Didwell. Train to Ride with Didwell. Uh, and on
that note, shall we take a quick break and hop back in with some listener questions? Done deal.
Yep. Do it. Do it. Done deal. And now, a word from our sponsor.
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and now back to the show listener questions
Are you going to read one? Read one. As soon as you guys are checked in, there's a handful of them. Sit there and take a long pause.
Long pause. Hey guys, love the pod. I have a question about reach and bike sizing. At 510, I always fall in between
medium and large. I found that my preferred reach is about 460, but mediums are often around 450 and large
is around 470. or would I be better to get the medium and do a 50 mil stem or get the large and do a 35 mil stem? Pros
and cons to both. I love that this guy has found his preferred reach.
He's clearly an MTB podcast listener and knows that bike sizing small, medium, large is just
it just makes no sense. Tell us the reach number. That's the only number that really matters. Yeah. So, we've always said find your
preferred reach number and this guy did. So, yes, he did. Yeah. I'm I'm basically same boat. I think I'm just over 510. Uh I like a 470
if I can. I'll go 475 or 465. I'll go as long as like 480.
Um is that what your ASR is right now? 480. I think the ASR is 480.
Oddly short compared to all the other. Well, it's an XL ASR with a bigger fork which bumps it back 5 mil from stock. So
it's 40 or 485, but that's an XC bike, right? It's not really a trail bike, right? Um, so I don't mind it a touch
longer. Uh, but I would like all my stems to have all my bikes to have a 40 mil stem. That's what I like the
handling of. I think it feels most natural. Mhm. Um, to me. So yeah, I to this question,
uh, it kind of depends what he's going for. I would say
more XC bike and you want to do bigger miles, I would go with the bigger frame and do a 40 or 35 mil stem because the
the slightly being stretched out, especially on a shorter bike, the wheelbase won't be ginormous. So, the
reach will be a little longer than he likes, but the wheelbase will be manageable once you're standing up because reach slightly disappears once
you're standing up and becomes more about the overall wheelbase number and front and back center.
If you're riding, you want a bike flickable, fun, you know, any other buzz
word you want to say, but like you want it, you want to just have more fun and hit some jumps and, you know, you might
have more flow trails around your house, I would go with the medium and do a 40 or 50 mil stem. Mhm. I think you pretty much hit the
nail on the head, Liam. Yeah. Well, it is personal preference. Yeah, it is totally preference. Like
and you could also find, you know, you could find a medium that's 460 and a large is 480. All it depends
on the brand. Yeah. Who cares what the frame is labeled? Just look at the reach number. I'd actually say to look at it.
I'm finding more new bikes are like 450 455 for uh what they call medium or like
480 or 485 for large. These days like Yeti's SP40 is like 480 or 485.
It's pretty long. I kind of fall in between a medium large on a Yeti. Yeah, that's that's that's my boat. I
like 465 or 470 with a 32 mil stem. Yeah. Um which on the ASR size large is
perfect. I ride a size large. 465 with a 32 mil stem
40 on that. But um Oh yeah, maybe that bike, but it's an XC bike. Yeah, but there
uh other bikes that all run much bigger than the ASR. I am. Yeah, I think it is
4. It's 455 and then 485 or something. Um, it is annoying. It's like I just It
doesn't fit. This medium feels a little too small and I don't really like it with a longer stem and the large feels a little
bit too long. Um, I hate to say it, but I've I've never really felt comfortable on uh, you know,
SP 140 or SB 160 just cuz they're either a little too long or a little too short.
I'm in the same boat. That's why I've never owned a 140. Really? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. For that reason. I've ridden
Trevors and yours and they're just like just a touch too long for how I want my bike to feel. If I was racing, I'd
probably be okay with it. But my fun ride, how I wanted to ride. My frameworks was a medium cuz it's like
460, which is a little short, but the wheelbase was pretty long. Mhm. So, like the wheelbase was where I liked
it. So, h Yeah. Yeah. I mean the the other thing here is what matters is he said he knows
what reach number he prefers which is great. Um the hard part there is just
try and get that reach number then and if you really want a bike and that reach number doesn't exist because it happens to be in between that bike brands medium
and large. There's probably another comparable grade bike that doesn't have that problem and their size is a 460 for
whatever they call it and it is does fit you. So, y yeah, I mean sometimes, you know, we've bought bikes and prefer bikes just
because they come in the size that we like. Um, and some don't. They just happen to
be in between sizes. Rebels larges fit me perfectly. So good.
Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Was it Mandreaker that basically runs like a size two like 490 large and
470 sizing letter is just it's useless. It's literally useless. Like why bother?
If everyone's going to be completely different, there's just no reason that that should even exist. Is this how girls feel with their pants
size? It's like one they're a zero, one they're a four. I mean, is it better or worse though
than just saying like S2 or S3? Cuz what's that?
That's stupid as well. Well, right. It It's le I'd say it's a we're trending in the right direction,
right? Because it's size one, size two. Yeah. But then they just like correlated to it being small, medium, large, right? You
know what I mean? So, it's like, well, and it's different across brands. One brand's S2 is not the same as another. So, we're back to the same
stupid problem. Like, what is Trodans? Oh, no. It's R1, R2,
RH, RH, rider height or something. I I told Adam, the Rebel bike CEO, um, just you
could still use the the letter if you want because if it's helpful, but put the reach number after it. So, call it a
M460, L480. Literally, just call it that. So then people will go, "Well, what does
that mean?" And then you explain like, "Well, this is what really matters." And blah blah blah. So I don't know. I mean, you don't even need that stupid letter.
Just tell me the reach number. But um anyways, cuz people are going to look at the geo chart regardless, right? I mean, you
would hope. I think so. I mean, you would hope. You'd hope. You would hope.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's a tough one. It like you kind of you were saying it's like it's a bummer if the bike you want
is kind of in between. You don't really have that. Totally. And it's like, well then what do you do? Well, you go get a tton or something when they they do custom geo,
right? Or whatever. Yeah. I don't even think you need to. Like there's just so many good bikes out there that you find one with a 460
for sure. And I also whatever you want. I also think 5 mil you won't feel for
sure. Yeah. That you won't notice. 20 you'll notice. You'll notice five you won't. So if you think you like 460 and you ride 455
or 465, you're not going to notice. But if you like 460 and you got a 480, that you'll notice. Now on a road bike
that those things matter a bit more. You're more locked into that position. But like on a mountain bike you're so dynamic and moving around like 5 mil.
Yeah. Yeah. I I feel like I remember those salsas also ran those were big huge big. Yeah.
Yeah. Which again made no sense. Just tell just put the reach number instead of that stupid letter.
Right. Cuz like to an uninformed buyer you're like oh well I'm a large. Yeah. You know and then you go buy a large
like this spike is huge. Yeah. Yep. Well, I've seen multiple people do that with Mandreers over the years.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Mondreer did. Yeah. He did it. Multiple people have done that with Mondreers.
And canyons run huge, too. Yeah. And then they get him and they're like, I can't ride this thing. It's massive. The wheelbase is huge. And then
they can't control it. And they have Yeah. It's like a boat. Yeah. It's like, well, it's not the bike for you,
man. Crazy. Well, how about this next one? So, I recently put a new fork on my
bike. I needed to set the crown race, but didn't have the proper tool. Oh boy. I planned on using the 1 and 12 in PVC
to set it. So, I gave my brother a call. My brother is a plumber and he said he had some scrap from a recent job. I was
welcome to it. Thinking it would be a short new pieces, I was wrong. It was used. I had to decide how badly I wanted
to avoid a trip into town. So, I grabbed a used poop stained piece. Oh my god.
I set the crown race with it. Can't be true. And cleaned the steer thoroughly. My
question is, what's the weirdest tool you've ever used on a bike? To be honest, I don't even find that that bad.
No, the PVC pipe or the poop part. The poop part. You got to do what you got to do.
Just blast it out. You're throwing it on the bike. You ain't eating off of it. Yeah. Thankfully, it's not. You're just setting it and covering it
in grease, right? I guess it depends on how fresh this poop is. Is this just some dried poop or is this some fresh wet smelly poop?
I guess. I guess so. We'll just like just blast the inside of this tube. Moist. Yeah. I found it funny how he cleaned
the steer. But would you have cleaned the steer or would you have cleaned the pipe with the
poop? All of it. Both. Oh man. Yeah, me too. Well,
man, I don't know. What's the weirdest tool? What's the weirdest tool you've ever used on your bike? Um I So, what was it?
a customer a few years ago. He I think he had his bike in the driveway and ran it over and um he snapped the carbon
handlebar and then he brought the bike in and we swapped it out and put a new one and then so we like cut it off or
maybe I cut it off. Somebody cut it off and so it's like half a handlebar almost and so I keep that in my garage as a
breaker bar and it actually works pretty well. Don't use a carbon bar as a breaker bar.
It's super strong. That's the worst thing you could use as a breaker bar. Oh, dude. We're talking after this. You're gonna you're gonna
splinter an eye, all dude. It's still a red bar. Don't use a carbon
fiber thing for a breaker bar. Well, I'm not doing anything crazy. Like, PSA, don't use that.
You asked the weirdest tool you ever used. I'm trying to think like my old shop days. Like I feel like we don't use too
much weird stuff here and like we don't run into weird problems, but like old shop, you know, like
I mean back in the day uh BMX bikes that had press in bottom
brackets, I didn't really know there's a tool for it. I just used a square wood block and just hammered it in. Hammered
the pairing into the frame with a square wood block. Oh yeah, I think that was normal back in those days. I think it was normal. Yeah, a lot of
BMXs just use that cuz cuz a wood if just a a 2x4 or 4x4 is
actually kind of good. It's soft enough that it won't damage the bearing or the metal or the whatever you have, but it's
hard enough to push it in. It's kind of like the plastic end of a rubber mallet. It's kind of a good material for it. I
think that was common. I remember doing that with BMX bikes, too. I don't know. I'm trying to think
what else. But nothing's nothing covered in poop. Uh, no.
What about you, Jeeoff? You've worked on plenty of bikes over the years. Ah, man. I'm just thinking back of when I worked in a local shop as a teenager,
and there was always weird stuff coming in and weird bikes and things like that. And
I don't know. I I don't remember anything that that crazy. I mean, I I do remember we had one customer who uh was
I think you've probably had this problem that they just profusely sweated and dumped sweat. So gross.
The whole headset and steer was essentially frozen with sweat.
Was corroded. Mhm. Pretty much. So the it was near impossible to get the fork out of the
bike because it was just glued in with years of dry sweat. And then if you get the fork out, good luck getting the bearings out without
damaging something. It was It was brutal if you just pour that much sweat onto a
Y headset like that. It was brutal. Yeah. I mean, I remember getting some
stuck seat posts out, but you don't really use anything that weird. You just like drill a hole and use like a metal
kind of rod and you have like two people like twisting it back and forth. But
yeah, just leverage breaker bars, you know, tying stuff down and using a breaker bar for things.
Yeah. Well, one time I used a Dremel and I made my C tube shorter. Yeah,
Dremels are Did you do that or did Liam do it? No, Jeff did that. No, this this was ages ago. This this was that was the
first Worldwide Cyclery YouTube video that did really well and basically was
was the catalyst to the Worldwide Cycling YouTube channel was was me I took a Yeti SB45 and essentially I
wanted a longer reach in wheelbase. This was a long time ago, right? So I was way ahead of the geo trends. I wanted a
longer reach in wheelbase, but I was too short to ride the XL frame because the seat tube was monstrous.
They were huge. Um, and this is just stuff that now is laughable because everyone has figured this out and all
the bikes have evolved, but back then it wasn't like that. I was like, "No, no, I want and I think the XL was a 475,
not even big, but I was like, I want that reach with a 32 mil stem and that wheelbase, but I can't fit on the thing
cuz the seat tube was monstrous." So, I cut this the top. I bought an XL frame and I cut an inch and a half of the seat
tube off and then I just explained why I did that on YouTube. the most basic video ever, but everyone in the mountain
bike world was like, "This is brilliant. That makes total sense. This guy's a phenom about geometry." It was so funny.
But so that video the year or two later transition came out with like what was essentially that
and the reduced offset fork. It's like, "Oh yeah, yeah, it was the best pro prove me right thing ever because it was everyone went
to that." And that video is still on YouTube and I I think that was from 2013. That's hilarious.
It was 16 or 17. Yeah, cuz it was right when I started. Was it? Yeah. You did it, but I helped you with
like you're like, "Oh, what kind of hacks are?" I was like, "Dude, use a Dremel." Yeah. Like, "Use a Dremel." And I got carbon dust all in my hair.
And then I And I was like, "Oh, I should have worn one of those." Respirator. Respirator. Yeah, that was a stupid decision.
A real CO mask. Yeah. Anyways, so that was kind of a funny one. That is pretty good.
Yeah. Classic Worldwide Sagular YouTube video right there. Classic. Mhm. Love to hear that.
Well, Liam, do you want to read the next one? You know what, Jared? I'd love to.
Hi, I'm planning a road trip from New Jersey to Moab, Utah. The goal is to do the whole enchilada, but I was wondering
what places in Colorado you would recommend to ride as well. Also, my plan is to have my son ride his carbon
transition Scout while I take out my Alli Patrol. Do you think these bikes are solid or a solid choice? And what
would you take on a road trip to do the whole enchilada with some side quests?
The whole enchilada. It sounds like they're pretty dialed honestly. Yeah, the whole enchilada.
Uh you need a lot of different bikes for the whole I was going to say it's it's such a long day. Like you want an enduro bike in
spots, you want to XC bike in other spots. Like it is a long day. It's like 30 something miles. Um
did you do that for that uh that race? No, I I did. No, we only we only
You did the whole thing on a chasing epic trip. We did the whole thing on a chasing epic trip back in 2020.
Wow. Um the whole enchilada. The whole enchilada. But no, uh when I raised Mile Bros, we just did up to
Porcupine Rim and down. So essentially, you climb the fire road to Porcupine Rim and then you drop in right above the
notch or the snotch. The notch. I think it's like half of the enchilada. The notch or the snatch? I can't
remember what it's called. There's one. There's each though. Oh, there's two. Yeah. And one is more written now. I think the notch is the
one. It's got the two switch back moves and this notch has like maybe one switch back and it's more of a shoot.
That the one that um well Braden whatever Braden Bringhurst the one he climbed was I believe the
notch. Yeah. With the two switchbacks. It's crazy. Yeah. Um when he attempted it like 50 times.
Yeah. Colorado. Uh Crest's amazing.
Oh yeah. Breenidge is amazing. Mhm. Salida and Monach Crest was really cool.
Yeah, those were cool. Um I I think Breen Ridge is rad in a sense of you have all of these cool trails in
such close proximity to the town and you can put together so many fun little
loops. It's so wellbuilt and designed. Yeah, I agree. Breen Ridge is the best for that. Um
Crest is pretty far out there. All the driving and logistics. Yeah, you got to drive somewhere and it's a huge huge day. I think Monarch,
Monarch Crest stuff is a little easier to do cuz it's kind of like one drop off point and then the bottom, but still
logistically hard. Trying to think where else. Sala is really good if you want cool
terrain. It depending on the weather cuz they have lower elevation. Awesome single track there that doesn't get
covered in snow, which most of the other good riding in Colorado all spring and winter and fall is covered in snow.
Um, so that's a good place if you're going there. But man, I I for this kind of thing, it's it's kind of like asking
what's the best one. If I had to buy one mountain bike, what would I buy? I know, right? 29 in wheels, 130 mil travel, 140 or 150
in the front, call it a day. You can ride XC trails on it. You can get away on away with it on enduro trails and
yeah, it's perfect for a giant road trip to Colorado and Utah as well. It's true. It's very true. Um, and yeah,
kind of like you said, Liam, it's like they're you're going to want a different bike at multiple different parts on that
one trail, but I think more travel is probably, you know, safer in that
regard. Um, sweet. How about this next one?
Jeff, would you rather ride a mediocre frame kind of pori okay kinematics and geometry with amazing A+ suspension or
ride an amazing frame light great kinematics and geo with average just okay suspension?
Um, I'm going to go with the ladder. The amazing frame with the good kinematics
and geo and just average suspension. Really? Yeah. I just think the overall the the
bike is going to feel so much better if it has good kinematics and good geo most
importantly. And if your suspension is just mid, I mean, I don't know. That's that's not that terrible.
And is it today's mid suspension? Like, are we talking about like raw shock? That was that was my next I was going to
say cuz today's midlevel suspension is actually rockar selects great like
you know but when I first kind of skimmed this question I was like going to go yeah mediocre frame of course but
then I didn't really read the average just okay suspension I thought it was like bad suspension if it was bad
suspension like coil sprung no damping or rebound right like I mean it' have to be horrendous
suspension for me to go with the other Yeah we're talking like you know what comes on a you know, a sub $1,000
mountain bike. Yeah. Like I'd go with the other way. But if we're talking about like Rock Shock
Select Yeah. You know, see, that's kind of what I was thinking. Any product that Fox makes cuz Fox doesn't go down as low as Rock Shocks as
far as their tiers. See, when I was initially envisioning this, I was thinking like suspension
that like you kind of ride and you're just like, h, you know? Yeah. But I think that if you have suspension
that's so good, it'll compensate a little bit for of the shortfalls of the mediocre frame.
Yeah, but if your geo sucks, I just can't ride a bike with bad geo anymore. Like bikes have had good geo for 5 years
now and you get if you ride a bike with bad geo, it just feels treacherous. Feel like you're going to go over the bars, you can't corner it properly. Just
so bad now. It depends on the kind of bike too probably, right? So the answer to this all this is it
depends. Yeah. What do you know? Yeah. Yeah.
I would go with the ladder personally cuz today's average suspension is so good. Like
Fox was it Fox the Rhythm stuff? The forks. That's like the bottom of the barrel, right? It's the bottom of the Fox stuff and
it's so good. Yeah. That beats like probably a firstg pike.
Yeah, probably. You know, and that's still like beats other stuff. Yeah. So, it's true.
Yeah. Yeah, even the Fox Performance stuff is is quite good as well. Well,
you can you can read this long one. All right, I'll read this next. Read it out. Long. Hello, WC crew. My partner has recently
gotten exponentially more rad on the mountain bike. She's gone from a 2017 Yeti ASRC Betty, which when she was
convinced lightweight was the best thing bike could be, to a Yeti SP15, which she didn't like, to trying my 2022 Stumpy
Evo and subsequently accusing me of running a multi-year scheme to handicap her on the trails. Not a bad idea. I've
since convinced her that she does not need the full Evo treatment and I'm looking for a 21 to 24 stump jumper
frame. I think that bike is pretty unique for its travel geometry and light frame weight. Are there any other bikes/
frames I should be considering? I intend to build a bike with a 760 mm trail one
uh carbon bar female specific saddle and rock shock suspension charger 2.1 tuned for her weight. Are there any other
female/ lighter rider suspic suspension? That's what I was trying to
combine those two words. Setup changes or I should be considering. Thanks in
advance, Shep. PS. Hello to Bean. Hello.
Um I actually think those 21 and 24 stump jumper non-EVO frames are sick and
I think they're overlooked by a lot of people. Yeah, they are 130 mil travel with a flex day
and they are pretty lightweight. Um, and yeah, I don't know. Everyone was over
building the Epic Evos cuz they're rad and they have two water bottles, but like essentially they're just making that stump jumper. Like, so I think that's a
rad frame. Um, I I actually dig that frame. Some 64.5 head angle on a 130 bike. Am I
reading that correct? Yeah, it 21 to 24 as a flex day. It doesn't have a horselink pivot on it.
Mhm. I mean, I think that seems like a pretty solid choice. Um, pretty pretty decent allrounder coming
from a Yeah, it's great. Coming from a SP15. Yeah, you can put like a 140 or 150 fork
on it with 130 up back. Yeah. Um, honestly, no. I don't have any other
recommendations besides getting rock. I think Rock Shock suspension is suited
for a lighterweight rider. 25 is definitely on like the cusp of needing it tuned, but like even if you didn't
get it tuned and you just had rock shocks and probably, you know, ran close to the minimum uh PSI for that, you'd be
probably feeling good. Um Yeah. Nice.
Yeah. God only knows you can get one of those on the Pink Bike Buy now for 1/5if
of what it cost. That's crazy. Yeah. He just he didn't ask for other
frames, right? He just asked for other setup. Um any other bike slrames I should be considering?
Okay, he did. Um Gosh, I mean it's kind of hard to beat the value that you would get from a Stumpy, you know.
Yeah, 21 to 24 is good. Even a SP130. True. You could probably find a used great
condition SP130 be a little heavier than a Stump trim frame, but it would pedal really nice. Mhm.
And be good. What do you think the frame weight on the new Rebel Rascal is versus that? Hm. It's probably a little
heavier, but again, the Rascal is a lot lighter. The new the new Rascal, which they initially
deemed SL, and now it's just the Rascal. Yeah. Yeah. That shaves some weight. So, they shave like a pound off that. So,
uh I have one on the way, actually. Nice. Yep. A Rascal would be a sick bike. You could definitely scoop up a affordable Rascal
on the pink bike by sell. Yeah. Or even the new ones cuz they dropped the retail price on them. Or even the new ones. Yeah,
that's right. Yeah. if you want to get a warranty, which is nice to have. Yeah, that's true. Um gosh, I don't
know. Yeah, 760 bars, even narrower bars, um depending on her shoulder width. I run
750 on all my bikes. Uh so that could be something to
consider. Just get a alloy trail one bar or any bar and just chop them down and see what you
like and then just figure that out and then run a carbon afterwards. Yeah, good alloy bar is $50ish dollars and a good
carbon bar is1 120 150. So if you're going to experiment with cutting it down too small
Yeah. you can't go back. So figure it out with an alloy bar and then once you know the size you want,
get a carbon bar. Mhm. Yeah. I'm trying to think of anything else um that would be of you know that'd
be good to recommend honestly. I mean sounds like he's got it figured out. This story though kind of just reminds me of why it's important to ride
different bikes and experiment and do do things like Outer Bike. This is for everyone, right? If you're into
the sport of mountain biking, just try different bikes. Go to Outer Bike, ride different bikes, take advantage of
various different local bike shops you have that have demos and just ride different brands, different models. Cuz
if you always have ridden XC bikes or an old bike or a certain Geo and then you have no idea what some of these other
new modern Geo bikes feel like or what other different suspension designs feel like, you might just,
you know, go, you've been handicapping me for 5 years. You just got to try different stuff and you realize what some things work really
well and some things fit your preferences and your riding style great. And so it's important just to experiment, right?
And then you might learn like more of the reach number what we were saying earlier, right? Like, oh, this bike felt
great. Well, why did it feel great? What C2 angle reach number did I have? Right? Like what was the wheelbase like? And
then you might go, "Oh, well, this one didn't feel that great." Oh, well, but their medium fits me way better than their large did. So, I was just trying
every large bike, but like, you know, across the board, larges don't fit the same. So, yeah, it's I think it's great.
And take notes on what bikes you're riding and why they feel good. Yeah. Fire up a good old notes dock and write
things down. There you go. kind of reminds me of when I first started working here and I tried
uh riding a 29iner for the first time, an SP150 and I it's like mind is blown
by how many different things like you know just so fast rolling over everything.
Yeah. And the ge like just everything that's what a lot of people thought when they first rode a 29iner. Yeah.
A good 29. Not one that puts you over the bars all funky. True for sure. Um, I just
remember like mind absolutely blown. Like, whoa. This is what 29iner and Good Gio can do. Insane.
Uh, well, I think we have time for one more question, boys. What do you think? Let's hit it. Hey guys, I've been looking for a pair
of new tires for my 2024 YT Jeff. I'm interested in the new radial Albert
front and rear from Schwabby. I ride mostly here in the Phoenix Metro region and want something that gives good grip
as well as rim protection from all the sharp rock and square edges. Thanks, Well, I think that would be a great
choice for this chap right here. You liked those tires, right? I loved these tires
except for I have the Mary Magic Mary radial on the front of my SP140 and the
Albert in the rear. You started Albert front and rear and you didn't love the Albert front. I It's I guess it's not that I didn't
love it, but I rode other bikes that had the Merry up front and I was just like felt better.
I loved that tire. Yeah. Yeah. I rode Albert front rear only a handful of rides and
I wasn't sold. Yeah. Well, I don't think Trevor was either, right? Trevor's not sold either. He I gave him
my I gave him my Alberts, but James loved them. Yep. I don't know if he's still on them.
I think he says he loves a lot of things and then I see him two months later, he's got ton totally different and it's better.
He loves trying stuff. Um, I I think they might lean themselves towards a
certain riding style, right? Like Trevor and I push in the bike pretty hard into BMS, in jumps and
everything. And Trevor is harding having a hard time dialing in tire pressure. Um, like he's like literally like couple
PSI fall too low and he's squirming them and then he went up and it fell too hard. So, he was thing is very precise
on the tire pressure limit of where it's going to land. Um,
but I don't have enough time on him. Yeah, it definitely seems like it's um I
think it's very condition and trail dependent. Like I think that they would absolutely
be incredible like climbing, you know, South Mountain, right? like yeah, tons of grip on all those rocks and like
how the way they can conform to the trail is like absolutely mind-blowing. Um, and yeah, and all the square edge. I
feel like it probably would help a lot with that stuff. I think another combo that would work good on this bike would be and similar
in grip levels would be the new dissector. Oh. Front and rear. Front and rear. Yeah. And run EXO plus casing and like a
max grip front and a max terra rear. I have not tried any dissector. Yeah. Have you?
No. No. But I have them on my desk and they look awesome. Really? Yeah.
And it's Max's casing. So it's it's like basically it looks like a mini asag guy and they improved the the previous
dissector to not have that dead spot. So it fits right in between like a forecaster and as guy with a good tread
pattern. And it's Max's casing and rubber which is really hard to you know what tires did I put on my Yeti? Those
Michelins? I forgot. Michelins. Yeah. Well, I forgot the model. Am wild AM2.
Oh, wild. You You did a mix. You did wild AM2 front, Wild Force rear. Yeah. You like those?
They were so much better than I thought. Yeah, they were slightly heavier than the setup I had on. I had a little bit more of an XC setup before with a
Forecaster and a Recon from Maxis. And then I switched to the Michelins, which I was a little hesitant cuz I was like, "Ah, it's going to be heavier. Do I
really want to put heavier tires on?" Um, I know I was. And then I rode I was
like, "Oh, wow. These are actually good." 50 grams of tire roughly. That's a lot of weight, dude.
We're talking XC bikes, bud. I know. I know. I'm down the rabbit hole right now. It's like 50 to 70 g.
I mean, that's very noticeable, though. It is noticeable. And the tread pattern is not stability of those tires and the
sidewall and how that all felt. And I was shocked at how good that was. And they worked super good in the mud when I did the 100 mileer on them.
Yeah. the for Jeffy I would I would go AM2 front wild AM2 front and rear
because it's a little bit more tire but they are cheap that's the cool thing yeah they're like
65 bucks and is the opposite they're very expensive $100 yeah you can get two of these AM2s
65 bucks you can get two of them for the price of one shocking with how good those are especially with the blowout sale
hey speaking of which though I think I've said this before But uh very rarely has any tire ever overtaken in in the
for nearly 15 years of worldwide cycle has any tire ever overtaken the top spots as far as best sellers in the
tires category and it happens in every now and then it's kind of a flash in the pan. and it pops up and then it falls
Schwabby. Three of the top selling tire the one position one, two, and three are all Schwabby right now. And it's uh let
me guess. It's going to be Albert first, Magic Mary second, and I'm going to go an odd ball.
Racing Ray third. You're close. Is it both? No, it's Magic
Marion first. Oh, then the Racing Ray. Oh, and then the Racing Ralph.
Oh, so not even an Albert in there. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, a lot of people buy XC tires.
No, for definitely. And they don't last as long. I just thought the Albert was going to be one because it's a rear enduro tire,
so it's going to be one out fast. Yeah. Yeah, true. What what I wonder is cuz when I've seen this in the past um
which I haven't ridden these new Schwabby tires with the radial stuff and they see some people seem to love them, some people seem to be bit iffy on them.
But uh what you notice with tires is you
new brands, new models, new this that and the other marketing trend and then the sales skyrocket up and then people
don't reby the tire and then they're like, "Well, I tried it. It was fun." Maybe they try it twice, but then
they're like, "Nah." Uh, and they go back to Maxis or they go back to the cheapest option. It Well, that too. Yeah. And Schwabi is
the most expensive. But, um, if this holds for another 6 to 12 months, then
I'll be very impressed cuz then it'll be okay. People will bought these and they continue to reby them. Um, which is
which is the hard part. It's not it's not that hard to just sell a new tire. Mount to try any new tire. It's hard to
get them to buy that tire more than one time after. True. Customer retention for tire brands is probably one of the hardest things to
do. That's where Maxis isn't king. Maxis is king and will always be when it comes to
just the retention that they have. Um and you just have the OE spec debate of like are you buying more of these tires
because they came on your bike, you know, and you're just buying the exact spec. Arts were a top selling tire
forever and Maxis themselves said we're trying to get rid of this tire isn't we have better tires than it now.
We've made better tires than the Ric and like they still are like too dude they're still selling these spec.
They're just buying that exact tire. Crazy. Yeah. Um what I found interesting also about the rad deals is that the new Yeti
ebikes came with them. Mhm. And which that's where I first tried them and really started to like them, but like you don't see Yeti spec like
new things, you know, just kind of on a whim, right? Like No, they're very thoughtful with their spec.
Very methodical and uh maybe too thoughtful. Yeah. which which I was like, whoa,
okay, your Swabby on a on a Yeti like from from the factory. Like that's kind of that's saying something, right?
Um but yeah, I mean I thought I found that very interesting. And a lot of other new bikes, even the Forest dolls
coming with the Schwabies. Yeah, the Forestall the Enduro non-ebike has radials on it.
Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that they're going to like do you think that the radial uh
technology is like most relevant in trail enduro or like do you think that I think it's across the board XC tires
will see like there's Schwabby prototypes that are at the at the World Cup this year
there's Schwabby prototypes in a racing Ray Racing Ralph and I think Thunderbirds that are suspected to be
radial casing. Um, why wouldn't it be great? If it conforms better and you
have better traction, you can run probably a lesser knob that's going to roll faster. And then I don't know how the casing can
affect rolling resistance. If it's more supple, in theory, it should roll faster.
Interesting. So, and Schwab's already one of the fastest rolling tires. Like, I think the
Thunderbird's like up there as as fast as rolling tire, like you know, as far as the steel drum test goes. Um,
what's the ones you have on your Stinner? I have the Rick XE
Rick, right? Which roll really fast. I'm not I don't
think they have that much grip. They're not supposed to have that much grip, but I actually think a Thunderbird has
better side knob grip than the the Rick. Although, they're supposed to, I think, be a notch above the Thunderbird. So, the Ralph is like a notch above the
Rick. Yeah, the Ralph. Yeah. So the Yeah. Yeah. So So I think they Swabby
does actually have some pretty good charts, especially on the Instagram, I think, of how to pair their tires. Okay. And like when you want to pair certain
So they have like XC ones and enduro ones. It's it's actually pretty interesting. I think like a
a Ralph front Rick rear would be like a fast pretty fast XC setup. And then a
rayf front ralph rear would be more like typical. That's what you see at the World Cups most of the time
is a ray front ralph rear. Interesting. Um that's like you know kind of your marathon setup and like more aggressive
cross country setup. Um cuz the Ray almost looks like that Victoria tire you have on your ASR.
Front and rear. Front. The Barzo or the Sarah? Got to be Yeah, it's the Sarah.
Sarah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what. If you ever wanted to try new tires, November is the month to do it because they're on sale.
That is true. Um, and 15% off a Schwabby tire, saving you basically 20 bucks. So,
there you go. Yeah. Check out Suab's website or their Instagram if you want to look at like tire
Yeah. airing setups that they recommend. I've been curious. Maybe that'll be the next uh set of XT tires I try for the
ASR once I wear out my You know what? I'll probably never wear out because I'll keep on getting your used tires and
uh Is that what you're riding right now? No, I have I mean I do have like three like barely worn Forecasters in a box
right now, but from you probably. Yeah, I'm like trying to look at the knobs.
I'm like there isn't even like a like a front
is is primo. The fronts basically I don't even know how much I ride the
bike. I don't even pay attention necessarily to the mileage, but if it's 6 months old, even if I've only ridden
it 100 miles, I just nah, new tire.
I mean, I do understand his Yeah, his predicament, especially on a front
tire. Like, I'll throw really anything out back, but the fresh rubber is nice.
Fresh up front's nice. And also, I do understand a bit of Jeff's OCD of like not just throwing on a rear tire.
Yeah. Yeah. And like doing front and rear. Like if I'm wearing out a bunch of tires, enduro bike, I'll just throw a new rear on
because like you probably wear out three rears to one front and that's just wasteful to put a new
front on. But XC bike, you're not really smoking rear tires that much. Like it's never wasteful when you donate
them. True. People get much your your tires don't go to waste. Yeah, it's true. Um but yeah, but the
tread obviously just not lasting as long on XC tire. It's like goes from here to here. Yeah. the the fresh edge on an XC tire
actually really helps a grip and then once that edge is gone you're kind of like oh yeah I'm on XC tire
you know like like you can get tricked on a new XC tire you're like oh dude this great traction dude I can ride I
can ride aspens and then the edge yeah and then the edge is gone you're like whoa this is sketch
the last yeah and now we're on ice skates oh awesome
well oh that's enough tire talk for me yeah we're just getting started Man, take us out, Jared, with your olive oil
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