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A New Yeti Unveiled, Seat Tube Angles Explained, Prepping For a 12 Hour Race & More... Ep. 132 [Podcast]

MTBpodcast · A New Yeti Unveiled, Seat Tube Angles Explained, Prepping For a 12 Hour Race & More... Ep. 132

Today on the podcast, the guys start off by discussing their recent rides including their thoughts and first impressions on the all new 2024 Yeti ASR. They also briefly chat about the Outdoor Alliance and their initiatives and importance in the MTB community before jumping into some top tier listener questions ranging from being mullet curious to how we deal with bike FOMO and everything in between. Tune in!

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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 132 of the MTB podcast presented and

hosted by worldwide Cyclery I'm Jared I'm Jeff and I'm Liam in this episode we

discuss all things mountain bikes wow mountain bike podcast it's a mountain bike podcast wow including our thoughts

and ride Impressions on the new Yeti ASR Yeti's coming back swinging with a

full-fledged hardcore Flagship cross country bike it's been a while since they've had that which is pretty rad we

also talk about the outdoor Alliance some super techy new suspension products and some excellent listener questions

ranging from bike fomo to being mullet curious and everything in between mullet

curious yeah Ted's mullet curious our boy Ted that is right X Games Ted shout

out X Games Ted G mullet curious yeah mullet curious aren't we all a little bit mullet curious you know I wonder often what

Liam would look like with mullet you should cut one you're there yeah you have long enough hair yeah I thought we

were actually talking about molz though cuz you did actually have a a mixed wheelbike I have had a mixed wheelbike

I've had a few talking about mixed wheel bikes yeah mullet bikes mullet bikes I can't say

mullet not not to be confused with mullet bikes yeah that guy will mixed with wheel bikes gu will email you

speaking about you know what's you know what's funny will email you if you go to South America everything that we've

learned you know in the modern world of bikes in North America is just a a good

5 to 15 years behind in South America so I actually had a conversation in Ecuador about 26in Wheels H and this guy's like

no no they just climb there's so so much better on the techy climbs and I'm just I was just kind of think I'm not actually even sure where to start in

this I haven't ridden 26in Wheels in so long and to think what bike he was riding

with 26 in wheels and what he was comparing it to you know as in what 29er he rode or what 275 bike he rode it's

just like wow I don't know I'm pretty removed from this 26in wheel conversation it's been a while since

they've had that what about the Gary Fisher 96er whoa yeah 69er was it 69er 96 I

can't remember yeah the one that had 20 it was before 275 existed 29 front 26

the original hard hard mullet yeah that would be actually a great comparison take like the most modern 26in bike we

can find and put it up against the most modern 29 in bike we can find sounds like a fantastic YouTube video I would

love to find the time and ambition to make one day like it's 26 really not

dead find out in this week's video it's not a bad idea Jared Jared

spare time is going to be worldwide parodies it's just I think I think people eventually

found out that all bikes are fun just kind of depends on your flavor for what you like to do with it most right I mean

there's still Rampage guys running like 24 in rear wheels on their Rampage bikes back 360 only like one or two guys maybe

somebody did it only Remy Morton runs a 24in rear wheel 24 by3 and he's the only

one yeah everyone's running some 26 rear 275 front mullets uhhuh so like a mini

mullet yeah or a full 275 which would also be super fun minimal it here's a

PSA when someone who's not a mountain biker I.E a road or gravel person talks

about mullets they're talking about chain Rings right explain this you're the you're the closest to those spandex

Warriors Liam so explain this one for us it's a good PSA because uh because I was

in that conversation once and I was like what are you talking about you put a small R wheel on a gravel B so swam

calls it the axis mullet which is you have drop bar shifters um you know AIS

drop bar shifters with a road basically crank set and a gravel size front chain

ring yet you have a mountain bike rear derailer mountain bike set so you get like the Axis 10 to 52 rear cassette

with the AIS xx1 AIS derailer or now like how mine is uh you have

transmission on the rear end so 1052 transmission with a transmission derailer and then the gravel front chain

ring with Road shifters up front that is aam AIS mullet it's a shame they couldn't call it something else it's

just confusing it is confusing especially because it's the other way because you're talking about a larger rear cassette Cog than the front chain

ring so the M that's like a that's a party in the back back business in the

front different party is also I guess it kind of does make some sense though if you put it like that it makes a little

bit of sense but if you think about you just proved it like you just Tred to talk it out and you just why they called

it that yeah but you want to know what does make sense Zach's words of wisdom

let's hear him I never lose I only win or learn it's good I really like that one

did he actually say that or did you just write that down and I'm a little suspicious because I asked him for some words of wisdom and it took him a little

bit I saw him look up something on his computer he got back and I said did you

actually he said I've heard that somewhere and I said heard we'll leave it at that but uh you know some people

were not thrilled with his words of wisdom last time which was if you can't work on bikes then don't because that's

his personal take on working on bikes I could see that could trigger some people to listen to this podcast and you know we like to empower people and like you

know if you want to work on your bike you should learn and do it but uh that's what we actually put for last week wordss of wisdom yeah well because also

um and then with some caveats right like he doesn't have the patience to work on his bike yeah you know it's what to do

just doesn't have the patience to do it yeah which is you know or which side of the Allen wrch to use that's another fun

story you know that one right yeah yeah I just I just he's he's similar to our our our good buddy FBI Matt who runs the

B team racing team it's it's this the same thing I've seen Matt so many times attempt to work on his bike and cause so

much more problem stress anxiety cost for not only him but us his family his

apartment complex his carpet covered in brake fluid all these things he should just he should just not do it yeah so

and it's compounded by the fact that he crashes so much and breaks so many things um which I just saw in the

comments on our recent Instagram post that he challenged you to eras down suicide that he claims to have the K

on I'll happily race I'll give him an award for the biggest troll yeah he's commenting replying to

himself the B Team account and there there is not must be busy at work there is not not a pink bike article or

important Post in the mountain bike industry on any social media or website that doesn't have one of his comments on

you're looking at it we were on a call and he looked at top comment and then his reply was next to the top comment

yeah he's a Super Fan dude oh it's awesome you're a great guy Matt great Passion not the best just not

mechanically inclined but you know he is willing to you know he's like hey am I doing this

wrong am I you know what am I doing yeah and you are you are doing it wrong he definitely uh never loses he just learns

yeah hopefully he learns yeah never is all right Daniel's fun fact Daniel's fun fact wearing a tie can reduce blood flow

to the brain by 7.5% on average you're shaking your head over there don't even wear a tie ever how would you know so

ridicul have you ever worn a tie I'm sure for a wedding or two here and there I don't know if I have ever even to a

the most formal of weddings or events i' take that back I think I did wear a

tie to a formal wedding my tattoo artist let me a suit so I I actually remember trying to put

on a tie watching a YouTube video for the last wedding I went to and got frustrated and just threw it in the corner and just didn't wear but I also

might have not put on tie just worn the suit and a shirt and just R it cuz for some that's fine yeah yeah um do put

your best foot forward you know yeah speaking of putting your best forward how about our fantastic testimonial mhm

hey just wanted to say that I've really been enjoying your show others just have an air of elitism but this one has a

much more downto Earth feel from a bunch of easygoing douches referring to Jeff's calling from

the recent episode keep up the good work in helping all Riders feel inclusive with your q&as and wisdom I love that uh

what a great email so that was that was nice and I we appreciate that and we

also really appreciate if you leave us five star review on Spotify or apple podcast o like that plug yeah but more

importantly so I was reading a couple comments on our on our YouTube video

never read the comments I know but they're so funny and I love the comments they're so funny so do you read them all

yeah I reply to them too and I like them and heart them whatever that uh the last podcast where I read off that

testimonial where the guy called me a douche waffle did he reply then well one of the comments was so I also realized

uh before I read that I'd mentioned that I was drinking Johnny Walker Blue Label oh yeah with frozen strawberries and

then so somebody commented drinking Johnny Walker Blue Label with frozen strawberries and Ice makes you a douche

waffle and I just thought toche damn it there's totally is my dad would lose it

if you're drinking Johnny Walker with anything else in their butt eyes for the record uh I'm not a good cocktail maker

we certainly did not pay for that blue label someone else said you need to lower your prices like no no no I would

never have bought Blue Label almost all of our liquor is gifts from customers

they come into the store they see our bar they know how to you know appease us and they give us some booze um and yeah

come come to think of it uh my cocktail ingredients consist of the free booze we get and the things we have in the

refrigerator here which is mostly just frozen fruit and ice cubes and I do realize how offensive that could be to

people who are into Mixology or just a mixologist people who should respect fine Spirits unlike I do I just mix them

with frozen fruit no regard what about this one what about the blueberries and the blueberries and Ry Pikesville

Pikesville Ry Jareds yeah I know I mean that's a proper way to drink it but neat well you know it takes a while right

like you don't just just start drinking whiskey straight from the getg go you know I mean I just like like if this was

in the freezer first I wouldn't have used ice cubes yeah so people like a little bit of water ice in there whatever you know like we had Joe you

know the Colorado kid on the podcast she said you know what as tempting as it is to be like you know be like don't drink

it like this you got to drink it like this just let people do what they want you know let them drink it with the ice the water whatever it's kind of like

people who don't have the same brand front tire and rear tire yeah we are okay with that Al a hard

time but we're okay with it like we might kindly yank their chain a little about it yeah but uh we don't really

care but no we don't really care we don't really care so just like hopefully people don't care that I poured a bunch

of blue label over frozen strawberries which for the record doesn't really alter the flavor at all

because they're frozen and they don't thaw and don't muddle them or anything it's literally just berries it's

literally just do that so when I'm done with the drink I can just eat the fruit after yeah and then it's like infused with the whiskey or whatever yeah well

speaking of things we've been enjoying how about the bikes and rides and other things we've been enjoying lately you haven't really been riding much bikes you've been gone I haven't I was on a a

fairly long trip uh a friend of mine puts on these Adventure travel trips for entrepreneurs so I was down in Ecuador

um I summoned this active volcano called codap paxi which is almost 20,000 feet so that was all on foot that was a crazy

wild time I don't really know if I want to do much mountaineering anymore after that experience CU it was brutal um I

did actually ride mountain bikes there yeah the lodge we were staying at had some rental bikes cruised around in the Kota paxi National Park um sick on a

good old 26er I have rid a 26 think of it FY or hard tail I don't even know I

think it might have been a bulls or something he doesn't even know if it was FY or hard tail it was a hard Tale But I thought BS is like super Euro they make

some yeah some XC bikes still some Euro brand that I didn't even recognize Bulls like

horns it's like ghost kind of before ghost got bought by REI ghost Bulls yeah

about us Bulls Bulls it's a it's a it's a bike brand not very common here yeah

it waswe XTR you know no it was it was definitely not the quality of bike that I'm used to but I still had a good time

nice um and it was a good trip but I have come back now just extremely anxious and excited to build up this

Revel L Hefe with the rigid Fork titanium titanium bike carbon rigid Fork

it's going to be sweet it's going to be a fun adventure bike I'm looking forward to that so I don't know ever since I rode yours I was like man that that is a

really really fun bike to have super need to need to put that in the quiver and uh I'm really looking forward to

that so yeah and it's like kind of bike that doesn't really ever like become obsolete right it's just kind of rigid

hard tail like it's going to always be fun every time you hop on it yeah I was thinking the same thing just always

going to have a good you always have a ride you can do commute with it ride it wherever just always a good fun bike to

have yeah so I'm looking forward to it what have you been riding Jared well it's funny you ask

um I actually put a couple rides in on the ASR it was super fun I did a big ride like on a few of our I put together

a few of our Trail systems um and that thing is really fun man I don't know I haven't really ridden like

a pretty gnarly like hardcore XC bike like that uh maybe ever that's probably

the most hardcore XC bike I've ever ridden honestly oh um I don't know I

mean right yeah I mean we haven't really had one here like hard it's very modern though yeah you say hardcore but like

hardcore is like 70° head tube angle right well I mean like hardcore like weight weeny like 23b whatever single

pivot single yeah like perance it was the lightest full suspension bike you've ridden in ever probably ever yeah yeah

so that was definitely very interesting and like the more I wrote it just the more I kind of got along with it um and

yeah it just has like I don't know interesting you know I thought about it

I was not wearing Spandex but um but I did swapped the cockpit out cuz it had like 740 mil bar and like a 55 mil stem

and I was like I'm going to put the trail one cockpit on there and it was like super fun like down country bike

after that so but yeah it's still definitely very like you know very interesting just like not obviously not planted and like I'm used to like my

riding forbidden Druid you know it's like complete opposite I'm like okay I dropped 10 pounds off this bike but super fast

tires and like little brakes and then go ride it like you know but yeah it was super cool and fun and um I don't know

Li what do you think about that bike um yeah I mean very similar to what you're saying it is very

uh light it's Nimble um it's kind of like a springboard uphill it just wants to like

spring you forward um you know and then I did some back-to-back riding on that

ASR back toback with my current Ranger um which is pretty Polar Opposites as

far as like rear suspension systems go right for sure ad ASR runs a pretty standard cross country what Stander for

Cross Country Now single pivot Flex day um and then the ranger has a CB

which you know just hugs every inch of the trail yeah so doing back to back was pretty fun on the two um cuz like every

con one has is the Pro for the other yeah you know one's a little heavier one's really light one has amazing

traction one kind of Skips around yeah um but I had a lot of fun on it and I think I'm just personally not a huge fan

of the twist remote lockout same mostly because I don't like using the grips that it comes with yeah um I'm very used

to my tril one grips and I like using those so so I think once you get one set up with your preference kind of like

what you said you swap the cockpit out I even put my co my cockpit on there which happens to be 55 mil stem 740 bar but

just the sweeping kind of angle that I like that I'm used to already so I put that on there and it you know felt

pretty good but um yeah it's a fun bike definitely has me thinking for you know

I don't know future endeavors full-fledged cross country machine so couple highlights it is 120 m

uh for the fork travel 115 mm of travel for the frame 66.5 de head tube angle

75.5 de seat tube angle goes from an extra small to an extra large suspension

lockout frame routing optional custom chain guide threaded BB 30 to 36 to

chain ring compatibility configurable cable routing ports two Mainframe water bottles and an integrated rear mud

Fender o it is one light simple clean elegant looking bike that even has the

what is it the ultimate which is a wireless frame only mhm yeah no cables on that one that's pretty cool so the

ultimate which we can also talk about comes with the new rock shocks flight attendant so you get all the remote

lockouts without the cable and the twist lock Rock shock Sid flight

attendant I think is they calling it flight attendant flight attendant XC comes with flight attendant mounted on a

sid fork and Sid Lu shock but yeah the frame does not have any

cable ports or routing for a dropper post cable or remote lockouts or a just

the ultimate frame all the other or shifter or no I guess that goes on the other side right yeah or shifter but it

doesn't have it it's only a rear brake yeah only has a rear breake routing option which I think is pretty cool yeah

super and it also and it has a special paint job on it as well it

shaves almost 200 g off the other frame that's a lot half a pound that is pretty

wild that is almost half a pound you're get a math Jeff it's a good thing somehow we're

still in business CU of that so yeah it's cool yeah it is pretty cool I'm interested to see more bikes coming with

that like Sleek Wireless only didn't the new specialized also have that option I don't know I don't the

maybe I kind of feel as if cross country bikes yeah this this new generation

which is you know in my eyes like this modern Yeti 115 mil travel 120 Fork uh

completely automated electronic flight attendant suspension good Geo these XC

bikes have come a really long way they're just like they're still crazy light but they're a lot more capable

usable they're super technologically advanced like they're just rad bikes whereas you know you go 10 years back a

full-fledged xation machine was like useless like you would you know might as well ride a road bike on the trails at

really come a long way my last XT race bike was a Scott spark full suspension I think two or three generations spark ago

um and that thing was still pretty scary and that was like on the pushing edge of like I think it had a 69 degree head

tube angle where everything else had a 71 that's crazy you know like like you know capable right it's

unreal how did they not figure this out earlier a little bit slack 120 mm stems and 720 wide bars on the of this ASR was

the same as an Enduro bike back then so like they're still figuring all out but crazy yeah I think this ASR will be the

Epic Evo killer yeah um I think it's just a good lightweight machine that uh

you know isn't from The Big Three which kind of dominate that lightweight XC crowd often yeah totally yeah I mean if

you want an unbelievably light fast efficient CrossCountry race machine of a bike this is incredible Flagship Option

demo media bike demo weighs with x01 transmission weighs

232b it's insane I believe that's without pedals but yeah that's not in the last drive chain you can that is

light you can still get a lighter drive chain yeah so super impressive great time yeah and uh yeah I I love the

direction that's going with these bikes like and kind of like I said in the video like having that slack geometry you can ride it anywhere like you don't

have to be like well I got to stick to this Trail cuz I'm going to die if I go down the garly one like yeah true you could have fun you know reasonably on it

on a trail on it we ride downhill Trails on our cross country bikes almost every weekend yeah so like like you said you

would never want to do that on your you know Scott SP whatever 10 years ago no I didn't even have a dropper hell no

useless I didn't even have a dropper droppers weren't even like a thing a cross country person ran 10 years ago

exist yeah but yeah I really like speaking of the video if you do want to see this bike in action uh we do have a

YouTube video where you can check it out Yeti ASR YouTube video like And

subscribe like and sub subscribe all right something I wanted to talk about which uh has recently come

to my attention oh is a NGO which means non-governmental organization which I'm

sure some people that are listening are very familiar with that and other people have no idea what that is but essentially it's a I thought it meant no

get out essentially it's an organization of people trying to uh uh I don't know work

with the government to push things through I'm not even really sure no I don't know if they be considered lobbyists I I don't really know to be

I'm not that not that versed in this NGO did a quick little chat gping on this one and uh you know that's where we are

like the imba I am pretty far I am pretty far removed from understanding

all of the layers of bureaucracy in the United States government and I think one of the reasons I uh am lucky lucky to be

standing in the shoes of a successful entrepreneur is because I grew up on the other side of the country from Washington DC mhm um so that's my two

two cents on things like regulatory capture and whatnot anyways wow outdoor

Alliance their mission unite the voices of paddlers mountain bikers hikers climbers Surfers and Backcountry skiers

to conserve America's public lands and protect human-powered outdoor experiences which is pretty cool um I'd

seen them before because they partnered with uh onx you know the mapping the mapping apps they have several mapping

apps they did a partnership with them um and that's how I'd originally learned about him but actually FBI Matt what do

you know guy who lives in DC works for the FBI went on a mountain bike ride uh with with the uh the owner of outdoor

Alliance and put us in touch and I just learned more about what the outdoor Alliance does they work with the imba a lot and what they're doing is basically

organizing people to try and make things happen in the world of trails so helping

trails get built helping trails get maintained um in this latest one they're doing helping connect longdistance

mountain bike trails Point too it's pretty cool so I love the idea of that anyways Google up outdoor Alliance uh

they have a button on the top of their website that just says take action and they have these various different projects that they're working on um you

and they make it really simple for you to just click and a lot of times all you got to do for these things is they have these sort of boilerplate things that

just emails over to the Congress people to say say hey please push this through please push this through and apparently

it's helpful so if you care about doing nice things for the trails Nationwide

yeah go take a look at it we'll put a link in the show notes how about that link in the show notes to but I don't know it's pretty cool

like again this this stuff is uh having organizations that are sort of working with local governments to make this

stuff happen is it's pretty uh nothing w're really all that familiar with and we're glad I'm glad it happens glad

somebody's doing it cuz I don't like dealing with politics you know yeah no way funny enough we dipped our toe in it

locally and it it was literally politics like it was crazy I was like who it

actually get fired up thinking about it we should probably just change topics yeah well I do let's end it on a

positive note yeah um on the backbone Trail somewhere there is actually a plaque that describes how uh funny

enough the governator good old Arnold there he actually was one of the people

according to this plaque on the backbone Trail responsible for connecting all of that that's amazing so it wasn't all connected until he was he was the

governator right I guess I don't know I can't remember connected for years well if we could just ride bikes on the whole

thing that'd be great yeah we need the governator back I gu We R

bikes I actually saw Terminator 2 in the background uh we had the plane somewhere where we were in have you you remember

those movies they're insane they're bad they're good they're crazy yeah uh

anyways if you're bored this weekend go ahead and watch Terminator 2 I think everyone will be

entertained all right quick intermission and then listener questions o yeah boom

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off topic did you guys know T pay is an amazing singer yes did you know that

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insane oh my God yeah ladies and gentlemen any seen it you got is it on YouTube yeah all right I'll queue it up

for later yeah back to back to bikes and we got listener questions we got a bunch

of really good ones I just put a new chain on my bike do you remove the sticky Factory grease from brand new

chain yes I use dry lube can I put it on top for the factory grease

Liam do you remove the sticky Factory grease from brain new chain I use dry lube can I put it on top of the factory

grease I had to reiterate cuz he interrupted I think we both did well Li and I don't agree on this

well I mean I'll I mean I ride it I Le probably once and then I dease it and then I don't know if that's like a faux

but that's what I did fa I I think that

mop keep it in check keeping it on the rails what say this Factory sticky grease makes the bike so quiet yeah and

it makes the chain so quiet still shifts fine although it does leave basically Elmer's glue all over your chaining and

cassette and pulley Wheels but it's worth it for a solid 30 mil of super

quiet chain will shaking his head already if you're willing to then dease everything and then you know recan

everything I leave it on for like 20 to 30 miles and I enjoy the silence and then I degrease everything you don't

degrease all I I do the degreasing claing up this de yeah this this is

where there's disagreement then he has it taken care of I prefer I prefer to have my bikes taken

um and I don't do it myself yes I degrease My Chains immediately out of the package I have a Spoke tool hanging

from the uh rack right next to my workstation dip it in there no I hang the open link on it and then I spray the

Degreaser down and I wipe it down oh like five times before I put it on the bike and that's still not even fully

degreased you really should submerge it and do all that I was going to say I I don't do that um I don't want to get

down that rabbit hole yet but I have started after a couple podcasts too but interesting very interesting I do dease

it and then I start just by applying squirt you're going to get one of those little chain waxing crockpots probably

yeah you know the boys on the Pennsylvania store are doing that reallyy and Aiden yeah

hardcore yeah they've taken it really far I mean winter time noreast yeah true

winter exactly I'm like have time to do that doing it just to I'm trying to squeeze in 10 hours a week on the bike I

don't have time to like you know wax my chain spend an hour and a half a week working on

chains um but I mean in that case it does really prolong and drive train

saving you money in the long run true like like less wear more efficiency blah

blah blah blah but um my answer is yes I do Jeff does not remove it because he likes the quietness yeah and he doesn't

have to deal with the mess that it leaves so quiet yeah it is nice so ride Ram transmission well that's true Witham

transmission it's yeah it's irrelevant cuz it's already that quiet so yeah and then once Liam's waxing his chain you

can have him wax yours well it that is really like if you're going to wax one chain you might as will wax three or four I'm pretty sure it's like the same

process and then you can just mhm yeah that makes sense I guess if you have multiple chains you can just throw it on

yeah okay Jee this is perfect question for you can you please explain the peach fuzz Club on the website only URL nerds

will know that one uh well I think you no I think you can access that yeah you just go to the

collection if you if you scroll down on the product page you can see collections products you can click on the peach CL

Club here's the deal here's the deal he's Deo uh it's it's quite complicated

to so we on the worldwide C website we have almost 20,000 SKS so it's a big

product catalog there's a lot of stuff that happens in the back end in terms of merchandising data feeds uh and just

organizing all of these products and uh in our industry there's certain products

where the brands allow the use of discount codes and then there's certain brands who forbid it except for maybe a

certain Windows of time where they allow it and we were essentially trying to find an easy way to uh categorize all of

the SKS in one large batch that are discountable and at first when we were

testing all of this we had like we just put dis okay for Discount okay and then

it worked and we found a way we found like a workaround of this whole thing and we realized we couldn't keep it like that and I said why don't we just name

it peach fuzz Club so I just named it peach fuzz club and uh I don't know how

somebody found that I mean it's it's a bit buried but if if you dig around and you look at the very bottom of any

product page you can see the different collections it's in and the URLs to that so it's a bit buried so I'm I'm you know props to you for finding that but

essentially the peach fuzz Club collection are all of the SKS that discount codes do work on I think maybe

they're also wondering how you got the name like you just that just popped in

he's like I am the king of the peach fuzz Club so I'm going to name this the peach fuzz Club yeah uh we also have uh

an entity that owns this building that's called cranberry baffles where did that name come from

don't know somewhere in the back of my head there's another one too right there's another one another funny like

oh there was going to be a more door land holding Co more I Haven made that one yet not yet that's the next one I

have that's awesome that's it I'm somebody found that um I don't know I always thought peach fuzz was a funny

word and I just thought peach fuzz Club was funny I and I just typed it in so yeah it is funny yeah you're right there

a few random things like that on the website that's that's been around a long time too it's been around for ages I remember when

you six seven years yeah Beach Club yeah there's also uh there's still to this

day you can buy kazoo on our website and sporks um from when we did that April Fool's

prank worldwide Cutlery and Kazo I think I I can't remember if I renewed that domain worldwide Cutler and kazoo.com

which I just had forwarded to the collection page of the Cutler and Kazo on the worldwi C website so there's a

lot of little weird Easter eggs hidden around the website but if you want buy a kazoo next time you're there there you

go smelted gold Liam do you want to read the next one yeah first thank you for the podcast

with three feet of snow we kind of all live vicariously through you I've got two questions I ride a 2021 transition

Patrol T build and I love it but I'm having fomo for a lot of other bikes like a Yeti 160 or Firebird how do you

deal with fomo well I don't I just give in and I just get the bike I want sorry

that kind of reminds me you remember that you remember that old that old uh I can't remember what it what with

advertising for but it was that guy and he's like I have a house I have a ride on lonar and I'm in debt up to my

eyeballs remember that one reminds me of that that's how you do it yeah uh I'm in

a lucky position that I can just you know sell one and buy another but uh sometimes I do have fomo and I try to

just really ride my bike and tell myself how much I love it yeah and convince yourself otherwise you know

Liam that's exactly what I do because I think you're know you're like no better than me okay but I you know you see me I

get bike fever get bike fever and then I'm like okay you know what just going to go for a bike ride and then I'm just like out there hooting and hollering and

I'm like I love this bike like I don't need to change it it's so fun and then you just remind yourself I'm just going

to be doing the same thing on a different bike I'm still going to have fun it's literally just what you want to

look at and like you know baby and pamper at the end of the day I guess but with that said I have B my eyes I'm just

kidding but you know that's how I deal with it and then you know maybe be

reasonable about it like right like you know maybe like every year or two you consider a new bike if you can afford it if it's in the you know it's in the

means right I have for the most part been hanging on my bikes longer these days you have been you've had the real T9 for at least a year it's over a year

Sedona was his first ride yeah there you go that's impressive I had my 120 for 10

months yeah it's pretty good had the drw for almost a year yeah and I had the best 40 for almost a year that's pretty

good I don't know yeah working on myself that's good all right he had a second part of his questions what other

activities do yall enjoy I love golf that that's him saying that that's not me saying I love golf never never swung

a club in my life just give it a try dude I know you'd probably be good at it put putt it's fun um it's probably what

he's talking about got good hand ey corination probably yeah it's just it's a lot of time yeah like if I have that

much time I'm going to go ride my bike yeah that's usually how I feel about it too or I'll work out um what other activities do y'all

enjoy I mean I actually do like to play golf also I just don't really play golf cuz I ride my bike most of the time I do

an annual golf tournament with some friends out Palm Springs every year um I guess that's what annual means

but um you know I'm kind of drawn in a blank I guess hiking is kind of fun

every once in a while I uh I like taking film photography photos

and photography passion uh recently well I kind of do this like almost every year

I basically build out my van with a new configuration so I'm in the midst of

building out a current van which is going really well looks pretty sick I saw it the other day just taking some

time with the trying to ride bike and train part and the rain we've had since I work on it here in the outside and I

don't have an indoor space to work on it what about you Jeff uh what are other activities well I

did go on a golf phase once you did I think golf is fun I think that' also be something you'd be great at yeah I I

realized golf I never cared for it and then I went to the driving range a few times and I was like oh this is actually pretty fun and then it's it's really

just a matter of who you go with you go with people that have the same attitude as you and you just cruise around to par recourse and and drink beers and goof

off that's actually really fun way to spend half of your Sunday um and then the second half you know laying in your

backyard getting a sunburn cuz you're hung over um at 2m that sounds like a personal experience yeah it is but I I

haven't played much golf in a while um I I mostly run I I enjoy running in particular trail running uh I definitely

like hiking I'm also just a map nerd so I study Maps I read things um I don't

know what else do I do snowboard been taking up snowboarding a lot more the last few Winters I a lot of fun snowboarding so

far this season and last season so I kind of doubled down on it cuz which just good good wintertime activity to do

enjoy it so same I don't know these days I'm trying to find things that are uh I can put together trips with friends and

enjoy and have like mix in good outdoor fun whilst hanging out with good friends and creating good memories so trying to

focus on that more these brother you know what else is really fun is stand up H boarding I know some people probably find it boring but I don't know probably

it's probably too slow for you well no just it's like beef with Surfers you know oh you just go over there's no

Surfers what I do when I take my SE kayak out there Lake Riv and some people

probably like oh you st the power board in a lake isn't that boring it's like well it's just kind of like it's fun to be out there on the water hiking yeah

yeah just slow outside theide peaceful nature Drinker detox

from the fast digital paced lives that we all live yeah throw a cooler on the back go post up yeah I also really like

camping on usually a biking trip but going somewhere where there's no service and your only thing to do that day is

have fun activities and make dinner Amen brother M speaking of fun things hey

y'all hey y'all there's a lot of talk about seat tube angle but but there's

something I don't understand I was about to do the whole thing in other accident I know wouldn't position their saddle

for and after for correct knee positioning possibly making a C2 angle change Irrelevant for example current

trends dictate steeper C tube angles which I imagine move Saddles forward closer to the cranks bike fit advice

says to keep your kneecap above the ball of your foot when at the 39:00 position so wouldn't the rider just slide the

seat further forward F further rearward for a steeper seat tube oh I think they mean forward yeah and be in the same

place as a slacker SE tube that that was kind of confusing thanks for explaining love the show the in my Kettle gear

cheers um essentially yes you can make up for like a one or two degree seat

tube angle change by sliding your rails forward or back but if it is really slack and now you're you also have to

think about actual and effective which is really confusing I just wish people

would stick to one and only use one and actual was the one that everyone actually used um cuz those can differ or

differ uh yeah I mean you can't move the seat farther far enough forward essentially right if

you you you only have so much room you have what maybe like an inch and a half to slide the saddle on those rails and

you can slam it all the way forward and it looks ridiculous and you still don't have the C2 angle you want which is why

bike brands are realizing like oh we need to just steep in this C2 someone's whose bike you'll notice that is uh Ben

hildred he is like six foot4 rides for Santa Cruz and samam and he's got a crazy forward like downward saddle

position but he has to because he's like 6'4 you know and he even with this modern steep seat tub angle it's still

way far back kind of where he wants it but like you compare you know a coupley

old what's a bike with like I mean let's say the original rascal you know that had a slacker actual seat tube angle

compared to your Druid there's no way you're going to make up that difference just by sliding your yeah your seat on

the rails the answer is you can adjust the seat forward to compensate but you can't do it enough exactly right like

you could do to two degree probably you know fudging but like 71 to 78 like your

Druid has there's no way you're making that up and it also depends on how long your seos in your dropper is right like that's going to that's going to

exacerbate the CT bangle even more exactly which is why tall people have the issue right and then they're so far over the back of the tire you know it's

like so that's why they're you know compensating for you know size specific chain stays and stuff like that right

yep so there you go so there's only so much you can do at in the long story short yeah

well we got X Games Ted over here how Jee you want to read what X Games Ted has for us so you want me to read the

chat GPT cleaned up shorter concise version or Ted's actual question well

can you play the chat GPT version and see if that works so X Games Ted he's a buddy of ours uh went on a couple trips

with us he wrote an extremely long uh question that we wanted to shorten up so

we P punched it into chat GPT which we can do cuz he's our friend and now chat GPT is going to read it to

you Ted here considering upgrading from a Santa Cruz tallboy V4 to either a V5

or a Santa Cruz 0 mullet I enjoy XC style riding with technical climbs on

South Central PA Trails favoring a bike that's efficient yet can handle challenging downhills and and

jumps curious about the trade-offs between a 29er and a mullet especially in terms of climbing traction and ride

efficiency given my preference for TR raide Maneuvers and obstacle

Crossing also wondering if at 50 opting for a mullet bike might seem like an

attempt to appear youthful looking for your professional opinion on these points oh that's funny you know it kind

of sounds like him I'm just kidding that well maybe a little bit but um oh you forgot the end PS Tell bean I

said yeah I didn't copy and paste that part into chat GPT no that'd be funny read it I like how chat GPT stutters

like a real human too right paes it says and a it's amazing weird you can you can

just converse with the app so like you hit the little headphone thing and you can just have a conversation you know Jeff does this when he's bored in a

third world country dude I do it I do it here yeah he does it here when he's bored well you know Ted seeing your sick

style and your your passion for Trailside jibs I mean I think he's got

the perfect bike already I mean I don't know personally Santa Cruz 50,000 no no no the hall booy he's thinking about the

5010 but I think that he would actually not like the part of mullet being a

little bit less efficient and I mean just that in general I think that would be a big downside for him touch Le less

efficient especially on East Coast where you're climbing a bunch of like kind of janky stuff it's not like so much flat

rough stuff like Flat Creek beds too where it's just like all Rudy and Rocky and

not that steep it's really nice to have 29in wheels in those scenarios but I would say

if you're in the market for a second bike and you could differentiate your you know your portfolio your quiver if

you will and you could go for a longer travel bike in the mullet configuration if you're still so mullet curious yeah

that's what I would say cuz I I think that yes wilda 510 super fun bike um I

just don't think it would suit his like preferences as much yeah I kind of agree I don't think it's uh like you're

cleaning on a youthfulness at all with that choice plenty of older dudes that have well I think I think it has Its

Spots right I think you know if you're riding gravity focused terrain instead of kind of like that rolling East Coast

terrain like mullet are awesome really good for that so yeah it's just I think it's more terrain specific and riding

style specific more than like you know keeping up with the youngans you know yeah yeah like a nomad is a no or is a

nomad mullet they're all mullets they're all mullet 501 Bronson Nomad all mullet wow yeah so that would be sick because

then you have a little more differentiation keep your tallboy four get a nomad and then you have a sick

long travel bike I've seen how he rides he's his wife so you asked the guys at

worldwide Cyclery and they just said to buy another bike so now you have multiple bikes on Ted she's cool she'll

understand yeah true true you know but yeah that's what that's my two cents you would you would agree I would agree by

the way we got to know Ted because he came on the well he's been on chasing epic trip with us as well right firsted

with his son and and then he was on the Italy trip with us and that Italy trip in the dolomites which was unbelievably

epic and rad uh Phil is putting that on again all boy Phil that's right good all

kiwi Phil good all Phil uh this September right yes when you similar dates uh maybe I'll put that in the show

notes as well M uh Dolomite Dolomite trip in the show notes unfortunately we will not be there for this one we are

only permitted one international trip every 10 years so we will not be there until bik

industry climbs out of the gutter 33 2033 thank you yeah so we'll see if

we're still here still alive yeah but you and Trevor are going to Hurricane Utah

inch April in April yeah that's going to be fun chasing epic and then you guys

are going Monarch Crest Salida Colorado July July is that one promoted yet yes

okay there's only a few spots left for Monarch Crest Utah's sold out um so

couple of Banger trip cide monar Crest and Salida or Salita I think they say

Salida Salida with that area is incredible Jeff myself I'm stoked yeah we're going to go out there we're going

to go to the rebel HQ for a little bit oh yeah and uh then we're going to cruise I actually came up with a really

uh good YouTube video idea nice it's a bit comedic it's a bit satire with with

Adam when he when he was here last so we're going to film that at the Revel HQ nice so I told Lou about that yet but

he's going to love it is Lou coming you going to film it I don't know we haven't planned any so I'm filming it we're also

going to drive my van nice someone's filming awesome awesome well hey how about we get to this next listener

question yep enough faffing um hey I'm Nolan I race through the Oregon Nik League I wanted some

advice I'm wanting to participate in a 12-hour XC race it is a 12mile loop any training advice slra technique also I'm

currently riding a trek Marlin 8 that I'm soon to outgrow and 1 to 2K bike recommendations lastly what's your

opinion on pickle juice W that's like six questions Nolan

um start one training advice and race technique yes for a 12-hour race I've

never done one but I would say go slow and finish Fast yeah like like go off

way slower than you think because 12 hours is a long time to ride a bike yeah Pace you can maintain all day Pace you

can maintain uh um for sure uh I would also eat often and eat a lot um don't

mess up your nutrition and drink a ton of water would you say like a bottle an hour at least like bottle an hour eat a

ton eat stuff that you know agrees with your stomach so by by training um I

would work on eating a lot and finding out what food works for your stomach so if that's peanut butter sandwiches you

know one every 30 minutes for 12 hours then then that's what it is but

wow preparation testing I would just do a mock event just go just go find a 12m loop and then try and do a 12-hour ride

on it pretend it's race pace and try and get your nutrition right first try and it'll probably take you three tries but

then on your fourth try it'll be the race and you'll be glad you did all that testing maybe not even 12 hours but maybe eight hours it's a good like

middle Zone and doable right for sure good school he has plenty of 12 hour

weekends where he's nothing to do um he's also riding a trek Marlin 8 soon Al grow anyone 2K bike

recommendations that's hard because it's always ever changing but um gosh you're

looking for a hard tail I mean pink bike byell you probably scoop a sick deal right now pink bike byell um but I think

the Santa Cruz chameleon hard tail yeah for sure that's a great bike is a pretty sick one maybe a little bit more bike

than you want but couple of really good hard tails for that price I think Kaa has a hard tail for that that price

range uh maybe Canyon Canyon might as well well um any direct consumer bike

brand will have a pretty darn good yeah true Norco I don't know yeah if you're

really going for Value just be patient spend four to six weeks digging around pink bike buy sell and you will come

across a really good deal just Mass send an email to everybody lowballing them and somebody will get back to desperate

enough I'm just and Nolan's last question is what's your opinion on

pickle juice I think pickle juice is a Band-Aid when your nutrition didn't go right to begin with yeah um if you're

cramping and you're in a bad spot pickle juice has a ton of sodium and will help pull you out yeah but the goal is to not

have to use pickle juice um I would I mean it's very expensive uh for you know

a high schooler racing a 12-hour race but Mar 10 is incredible for this type

of stuff for sure you know their drink mix and their bars and their gels are extremely high carb and usually pretty

good on you know say the majority's stomach so mhm I mean that's if I was doing a 12-hour race if I do any race

that's what I use but yeah good call um yeah I mean if you've seen the

hotwing race on YouTube you know how some of us feel about pickle juice and

how it mixes with milk and non-alcoholic beer isn't that right Jeff Yeah we actually did uh a lowbudget

film that's generous it was a low a lowbudget film where we had a a mountain

bike race where you had to eat hot wings and then do a loop and then right before you ate the hot wings you spun a wheel

and the wheel would uh determine what drink you got to drink with your hot wings Y and it was milk water pickle

juice or it was like all all together or something nonalcoholic be nonalcoholic be all of them together death cup yeah

it was all together death cup yeah you just poured all of them in one thing surprising a lot right like in a row we

might have waited the side of that wheel a little bit it was a it was a lowbudget film but it's it's worth watching if you

want to watch some of our old great video fun fact the hottest Wing we had to sign a waiver to take out of the the

store Carolina Reaper Carolina Reaper Carolina so yeah also a good part of that is the wings got increasingly

hotter um started with cayenne ended at Cayenne or ended at Carolina Reaper yeah and that was it was actually really hard

I did I did that yeah you it was really hard to ride that loop after eating the Carolina Reaper wing because my eyes

were tearing up and my mouth it was hard the faster you went the hotter your mouth was you just can't get like that that

residual sting is there for a while but y anyways how about we get to this last question last one you are at the trail

head kiding out in all your favorite Kettle gear all of a sudden a Heavenly Host descends from the sky lands

directly in front of you and asks what trail and weather conditions would you like today what are you responding with

mine are two days post rain 47 degrees fhe just the slightest hint of humidity zero clouds I'll fight anyone who

disagrees I'd obviously be in my long I'd obviously be in my long sleeve

Kettle Jersey and Kettle shorts is this question free of a worthy of a free Jersey I can agree with two days post

rain yep and uh 47 is a little chilly for me maybe I'll would take 55 and I would take no humidity and I would take

partly cloudy and what trail I would also do all of

that in Squamish yeah going to say squasher Whistler um I would actually go

up the temp to about 60 to 65° okay uh but partly cloudy mhm and uh I would also be in my

favorite Kettle gear probably I don't know the shenanigan pants are actually really good for riding in liking those I've been riding

shenanigan pants as well all winter and I just told my buddy to get some too nice yeah um we don't really have much

to complain about because we've pretty much had two days post rain 60 to 65 degrees partly cloudy for about three

months now I know uh it's been raining so much and the mornings are a bit chilly they're you know low 40s but yeah

yeah we've been lucky Jeff I would go 62 De

overcast 46% humidity get out of here get out of feels nice I like the

humidity what good for your skin 46% is not that bad I feel like it isn't actually that bad you don't want you

don't want zero I I should say that that's true you don't want to be too dry it'll be dried out but uh like SpongeBob

remember yeah most importantly no wind yeah oh yeah no wind no wind trail of choice still or zone of choice I I'll go

away with one of my options if that means I can have no wind no you can you can have no wind but I'm just saying

that's how much I dislike wind oh yeah for sure I'll take away one of my options for sure yeah you got to pick a Zone it

could be Bracken Ridge I I would go 65 degrees in the what's it called I don't

even know what it's called the new vent oh the no fry shirt Noy Long Sun shirt yeah actually so kettle's bestselling

product is the no fry Sun hoodie which is basically a a hooded uh Ultra

lightweight breathable sort of UPF protective shirt and we made them in just a short sleeve and long sleeve Edition which are killer things to wear

as like a featherweight mountain bike jersey yeah so awesome I love it good summertime stuff I'd pick Breen Ridge uh

if I'm not picking a bike park and if picking a bike park I'd go Whistler there you go for sure all right well

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