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New Products We Like, Riding Bikes Down Under, The Best MTB Travel Bags & More... Ep. 153 [Podcast]
Today on the podcast, the guys discuss their time riding bikes down in Tasmania and Trevor tells us about his time at the TDS Enduro before chatting about some exciting new products and some epic listener questions ranging from how we’d spend a million dollars at a gas station to traveling with our bikes and everything in between. Tune in!
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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 153 of the MTB podcast presented and
hosted by Worldwide Cyclingery Trail and Components and KETL Mountain i'm Jared
i am Liam and I'm Trevor and today we have an amazing episode for you in which
we will discuss our time in Tasmania riding mountain bikes Trevor's time at
the TDS riding mountain bikes some epic new products how we've been liking them
as well as a potential new segment and some excellent listener questions ranging from how we'd spend a million
dollars at a gas station to traveling with our bikes and everything in between
it's been a while it has been a while it's been a minute boys we have a lot to cover it's been over a month we've been
busy we've been gone things have been happening um also this potential new segment stick around yep you might like
it you might like it i don't know it's It's definitely the one of It is one of the best segments we've ever implemented
for sure absolutely have to agree with that huge potential it has huge potential tons of potential upside zero
downside something like that that's like Wolf of Wall Street remember when he's like reading that pitching oh yeah
exactly yes yes well let's jump right in zach's words of wisdom the time you
least feel like doing something is the best time to do it wow that's great inspirational does that resonate with
you guys or what this good discipline like oh I don't feel like doing the dishes do it this is the best time let's
do it oh I don't feel like doing laundry or making the bed do it yep i always do dishes immediately i do them while I'm
eating while you're eating while you're eating that's the move no you He got
that one while you're okay while you're eating i mean while you're cooking i do I try to do stuff while I'm
cooking yeah i'm not a dishes in the sink kind of person so I think Zach's words of wisdom is just uh Yeah being
responsible yeah and everybody adulting just do it everybody could take a piece
of that laundry just do it just do it speaking of a piece piece of the world
Daniel's fun fact 90% of the world's population lives in the northern hemisphere is that fact checked
that sounds crazy i normally fact checked but I believe it because if you think about it like all of North America
basically all of Europe like Russia China these are all massive sort of half
of Africa but like so you got to just got South America and there's not a huge population center really within Africa
like compared to North America Europe i fact checked i mean Google AI says
approximately 90% of the world's population lives in the northe hemisphere and think about like big cities northern hemisphere has more land
masses right that's what it says yeah think of Russia Europe and North America i was looking at a map of the world
today just randomly yeah and I was looking at uh at some uh some cities in
Europe and I realized how big Russia is massive dude i was looking at like I was
looking at Ukraine and Poland and all those uh countries around there i'm planning something no just Eastern
Europe travel right now eastern Europe and I was like "Oh yeah Russia Russia's right here." And then I just I zoom out
a little bit it's like "Oh Russia's here too and there and there." You know what's really fun is to do Google Earth like dropping somebody like in Russia i
do all the time and you just find like a bunch of bears or something like one time I saw like a bear like eating a salmon out of a river i was like this is
so sick like just going to zoom in on some random like little lake in I mean there's a bunch of big ones too but like
yeah there's an incredible amount of natural resources in Russia that's obviously why you know Putin is way he
is I do it uh in like the Arctic Circle of Russia just drop
myself random place you could find yeah it's pretty cool it's a cheap way of exploring the world well that is a very
interesting fun fact that is a it uh yeah that's wild it makes sense though
it is it is totally Crazy um feel like that discredits South America a little bit but a little bit but they got 10%
you know combined well then you got Australia combined though because like
concerts in Brazil and South America go off i heard that like what random like Lady Gaga had like over a million people
on the beach in Brazil but think think about Brazil they have these like very
dense populated areas and then they have the Amazon which there's no one there's like hardly anyone there so true it's
like Australia right you have people in the cities and mass amounts of land with nothing i did I did look this up when we
were there i was just like curious about stuff um
Australia's entire population is 27 million southern California alone is 23
million so I was just like I remember imagine Southern California spread out across
the United States that's crazy i mean out of five add 5 million obviously they're not apples to
apples but pretty close i remember looking that up actually not about uh um
Southern California but of Australia and um I've got like family in Sri Lanka which is a little island below below
India and looking at the population of there and seeing what it was comparable to and it was comparable to Australia
which just like blew my mind a little bit yeah sri Lanka yeah island comparable to Australia super dense
packed with people but um Australia is not very dense wow that's crazy relative
yeah that is crazy could be that was years ago could have changed now i
don't don't fact check me on that but that was a tangent let's get pulled back yeah that was all right fantastic
testimonial this was a Google review about Worldwide Cyclingery and I thought it was hilarious um because well I'll
read it some really great people they seem to really care about their customers one member of the team even
thought to check in and see if I was enjoying my order immediately after sustaining a potential head injury on the trail hope you're okay by the way
now that's what I call customer service now face value you wouldn't find this that funny but the email that goes to
customers after you order something it's like I crashed on the trail and immediately thought I wonder if Liam is
enjoying Minax's tires that he got and then he got that email right after
he just crashed well no he thought that the customer service person crash like they thought that the email was like
genuine and the person actually crashed and hit their head and is she's also being sarcastic and cheeky in response
to our sarcastic and cheeky email that's true i could be totally misreading this and he is being facicious well it's the
the sarcastic emails are great though it's like Yeah you get too many emails from companies and they're too serious
and you just don't even look at them and it's nice to have a funny funny uh kind of light-hearted one totally yeah and
that's like you know what we're all about right that's what we do that's what we do you know what else we do is we ride bikes we do ride bikes um Trevor
what are some fun rides and bikes you've been lately well this last weekend uh
myself and Liam and a couple other friends we went on a big backcountry ride in Ohigh um XC ride it was about 40
miles in 7K and just just uh yeah pushing pushing my limits a little bit
but it was uh it was good yeah on the XC bike on the ASR such a nice little day it was a perfect day we were underneath
the clouds and at the top of it we were above the clouds which was just super cool to be up there and sick while we
were at the top there was people running uh ultramarathons like crazy ultramarathon
that's messed up saw like tape on the on the posted on the on the markers or whatever and saying like 25k 50k 100k
and then one of them said 100 miles it's like it gave me so much motivation in the moment though was like cuz like yeah
you're kind of suffering a little bit big for a 5 hour ride and it's like well I guess I'm not giving up today because
these people are running up and down these mountains it's not just flat 100 miles it's up up crazy big like 4,000
foot climbs yeah it's insane yeah they're literally doing 3 to 4,000 foot climbs up there and it's like serious
back country back there after you get in the mountains back there i mean there's zero people yeah except for there's
people running and hiking that's what I mean right like as a runner like that's crazy it was cool it was kind of special
to be up there it's uh makes you grateful to be able to do it and um yeah it was cool experience epic yeah it was
a sick loop got two good single track descents um yeah and you're on your ASR
as well on my ASR yeah i'm having a hard time keeping track of your short travel bike these days Liam yeah I'm done
though now I'm set up liam's found it well have you even uh So you're This is
the XL ASR yeah so I don't tell tell the tell the people about your setup right Um I went back to an ASR i'm on my third
ASR build now cuz Yeah you've had you've had quite a few yeah each different each with their own personality that's right
they're special in their own way yeah they are uh this one I I was riding my 120 and like this bike's sick it goes
down who I want but I still kind of want more efficient and then I started puzzling i was like man wonder what a XL
ASR GO looks like so I was doing some numbers and I was like I think this will
be perfect so I got a XL ASR i normally ride a large like I like a 470 475 reach
the ASR is a little small so I overforked it with a Pike 130 i have a
deluxe rear shock on it um and then kind of you know whatever
standard build i do have Eagle 90 on it so mechanical Eagle with XXSL cassette
and chain chain ring nice motive brakes on there um but yeah so like over
forking it brings the reach back a little bit so I think my my kind of you know adjusted reach is like 485 now so
it's a little long but the 120 I was on was 475 and I was running a 50 mil stem
this bike is a 485 and I'm running a 40 mil stem and it feels money so with a
little back of napkin geometry math it's pretty similar to what you were wearing
before pretty similar yeah the wheelbase is longer than I had before um just by a little bit but feels great and it makes
the ASR more stable than Yeah definitely running a large which what I was running the previous two builds um the ASR is in
this weird spot cuz like I like how snappy it is i like how light it is i like the simplicity of it but it's still
a single pivot flex bike when it starts going downhill and it gets overwhelmed like when you're riding it on above XC
level trails as it should like it it's not meant to handle that like I'm asking more of it than it wants but I think the
wheelbase helps compensate for some of that and then running the Pike running a Deluxe you know running stuff like that
you know some some pretty adequate brakes makes it uh makes it good yeah rode it this weekend put in a couple
good rides on it so yeah I think you have like hit a sweet spot with that bike build for sure yeah I think so i'm
really liking it i think it weighs like 27ish can't remember if it's just a 28 or just
a 27 it's in there light enough it's great to ride some bikes that just carry speed though and you can uh put some
power down and you can feel the momentum carrying over and you're just rolling fast feels good and that's the goal right you want it to
feel like a quick snappy fast efficient XC bike but yeah but handle some good downhills you know i mean we rode pretty
legit downhills on that day um got some good times on it and then yeah on the
climb I still turned the screws a little bit uh then Tidman turned them even harder spit me out but uh I was just
trying to survive personally just trying to get through the day i I started to turn them and Trevor's like later yeah
and then Well you guys started fast on the second loop we were doing and I was like they were
talking i'm not talking I'm not talking i'm like that's always a good like I'll
see you guys at the top yeah just forget then they're gone and then I kept it I kept it going and then there's this
little reprieve and Tideman turned him on that and I was like "Oh I can't I can't turn them more." I mean I think at
that point we're like 4,000 ft going up to like 6,500 ft of the day so you know we're already had some
climbing in our legs you're in it yeah couple animals it was sick it was good yeah trying putting in some some time on
the bike for some events ah that's right some fun stuff time to lock in time to
lock in yeah game time what about you Jared how have you been doing pretty good man uh just trying to reaclimate
since we got back from our trip and uh put in a few rides on the 140 it's pretty fun to like ride the 165 for you
know a couple weeks then hop on the bike and I'm like "Wow okay this is actually fast and light." I mean compared to that
you know I got two forecasters on the 140 right now um and yeah just totally
different machine it's funny how like face value you look at two bikes they look similar kind of and like you know
they're both Yetis but they ride completely differently completely different completely differently different purposes um but yeah it's
super fun to hop back on that thing and just uh go rip around here and you know just kind of get reacquainted and stay
fit well you guys were riding the uh the big bikes for a while you guys want to talk about your Tazzy trip a little bit yeah
we can throw it in here totally um I mean what a place i mean like I imagine
I've never been to Downeyville but I imagine this is like the Tasmanian version of Downville just like bike shops and only a few things really in
town like not a ton of people really live there but the it's just like biking is like the epicenter right it's like
the culture like bike is life yeah this is in like Derby yeah in Derby yeah it's more purpose-built than Downingville for
biking like the town was like revived for mountain biking there's a pump track in town it seemed like you can camp in
that it's that center like I don't I didn't know the deal for that right next
to pump track and bike shop and like and right where the shuttles pick up so I
don't know exact deals how the shuttles pick up but I'm guessing you just buy a pass from one of the bike shops or
something or the or the shuttle company it's like what five minute shuttle eight minute shuttle yeah probably um pretty
good yeah and then yeah tons of great amount of blue trails some black trails
um purpose-built mountain biking all the way through yeah I remember when the uh EWS came into town or out there and they
did Yeah when made DNA but they also did derby i remember I remember seeing things about how mountain biking has
stimulated that local economy and kind of made Derby kind of grow as a city which is super cool yeah it totally
revived the town like Liam said i mean it was a defunct mining town i think that were primarily mining 10 and they
pretty much like completely depleted the mines and so they're like "Well this is all just here uh let's make it a sick
mountain bike town and bring tourism and people here." So uh yeah I was super impressed i mean yeah and then we So
we're on an all mountain rides trip essentially what he does is he puts together you know where we're staying
which was the Derby Forest cabins which you can just rent out on your own which were super sick um kind of also like
mountain bikeish base like he has a little workstation and like spots for your bikes and then they've got three or
four cabins right um yeah I think at Yeah I think at least three or four cabins yeah that's cool like bike
specific accommodations pretty much yep and then uh yeah we're lucky enough it
doesn't you I think you have the option to but we're lucky enough to have a chef for us as well on the trip mhm um or
else I think you just use that kitchen like you just buy your own supplies and use the kitchen but yeah that was like part of the all mountain rides like perk
right is like pretty much just show up and show up at the airport and everything is taken care of for you
which is awesome but yeah so we had a chef eating insane food every day yeah she was incredible her name was Sandy
and then yeah just so Pete and Derby Forest Cabins are awesome and then yeah
the riding I' I'd say I've never been to Bentonville
but Derby Tasmania with the setup at the Derby Forest Cabins was the best
mountain bike destination I've ever been to for purpose mountain biking with a group riding from blues and greens all
the way to double blacks like it had everything like you're not going there if you're not riding bikes
everyone's there to ride bikes there to ride bikes like you saw full families
you know mom dad kids all kided out riding bikes together like that's one of the coolest things you can see super cool to see the sport evolve to that it
is so cool like um when we initially were planning the trip like um you know
we've had some other trips in the past where like people bring significant others right and like you know they hang out and do their thing during the day and Phil was specifically like I highly
recommend do not bring the significant other because they will be doing nothing there's nothing to do except for bikes
like there's not even really hiking trails yeah it's all one way bike trails a climb trail or like 10 downhill trails
no hiking trails that's awesome which I really appreciated like like the trails
even the green trails were fun like you go to some places and the green trails are just like like a wet rag you're just
like that sucked like that was boring but these green trails were like fun where you want to actually go do them again like they had great flow and like
rollers that you could double and stuff and great BMS and uh man just like
unreal yeah yeah it was great for a group um had a blast it was so good jared and I extended on our own uh after
had a day Medina which is insane medina is definitely upsiding from Derby like
we rode some some pretty good blues and then we rode some blacks and I was just like what the hell like this thing got
gnarly quick properly gnarly um Yeah and basically glad you guys
brought the big enduro bikes oh my god yeah yeah like derby we were probably overbiked yeah um a 140 would have been
money there but yeah like once I got to Medina like okay big bike sick so we had
a day there i departed jared he met up with his lovely wife and had a week uh I went to
New Zealand from there and I rode Rooua for three days and Queenstown for three days um solid and I had a blast and uh
also very glad I had the big bike in both of them roa you could get away with a 140 but it's steep um I'd actually say
the mullet and good brakes and suspension was better than like all the travel I had yeah like I don't know if I
used all the travel but it was like confidence in the brakes suspension tires geometry and the mullet was sick
cuz it was steep and tight roto was Yeah Roaro is like Santa Cruz a bit so but um
so that was sick and then yeah Queenstown uh some pretty serious trails as well as
also end of season for both those spots so like some of the trails were in pretty rough shape a lot of breaking bumps and Yeah pretty rough and rough
stuff yeah like the jump lines were even pretty pretty gnarly to get through um not as far as jump wise but like big
holes in the BMS to try to carry speed through medina as well huh yeah medina as well yeah you're just slamming brake
pumps yeah it's It's like very end of season for them right like it's it's about to be fall winter for them yeah
southern atmosphere yeah so total trip um I had a blast i did three weeks of
riding on a big bike and frameworks performed flawlessly yeah i'll probably get a bike check on bike check on that
soon that's right we got those sick photos that we took m um in Tasmania
true true um you you were on the 165 SP 165
mhm yeah i mean totally so stoked I got that bike for that trip i mean yeah two
kind of similar kind of uh like two similar genres of bikes right definitely totally yeah i'm really glad Liam built
his frameworks that kind of inspired me to get the enduro bike because it was perfect um but yeah I mean what can you say i
mean uh the diversity of trails in the area and and just it was just so cool to experience the whole different just part
of the earth like the the floren fauna you know like the just the trippy trees
and like animals yeah that's what I've heard about Medina is the trees the trees there and the terrain is like nowhere else you've ever seen like you
feel like you're in like a Star Wars forest or something% it's kind of wild derby is very similar the cool thing
about Medina was like you had like eucalyptus at the bottom to like rainforest and ferns in the middle to
like almost the very tops like almost above alpine mhm um pretty crazy yeah
you go through like three or four different environments just at Medina alone crazy um yeah and like Queenstown
South Island i' I'd like to go back to South Island i feel like New Zealand you kind of need like a whole month
i' I'd like to go back to South Island and spend time in like Christ Church and Nelson and a whole in the they call them
the Alps the Southern Alps there as well um it's so sick i could spend a whole month there bring two bikes and just
explore and hike and ride yeah did you run into Andre's buddy as well were you there when that happened uh I wasn't
with him but uh we met up the next day when we rode oh nice and then I rode
with him separately another day yeah oh sick awesome yeah just by happen stance they ran into Andre's buddy he went to
college with in New Zealand and he like randomly just on a river yeah just like he just randomly met him randomly ran
into him and he moved there with his girlfriend and Bill you were with Andre no I was I was uh I was riding that day
no so Andre saw his buddy he just saw him yeah yeah how crazy is that i was in
New Zealand yeah i mean it's a big world but it's a small world it totally is that's a good way of putting it yeah it's crazy but so he moved out to New
Zealand with his girlfriend and built a van the same Sprinter that I have okay and they're just kicking it yeah that's
kind of just a total vibe yeah i'm like dude I think New Zealand's like the perfect place to do something like that
100% yeah he's looking for work too so if anyone lives in Rooua and wants a smart worker he said he'll do anything
but he's he's really smart he's an engineer yeah very smart guy yeah went to UC Santa Cruz um very cool but yeah
super sick well uh Trevor how was the Dirty Sanchez so I just came back last
week from the uh TDS Enduro which is the Dirty Sanchez enduro and uh invite
invite only yeah it's like an invite only invite only kind of pro race and um it's on the Sanchez ranch the Sanchez
family is the family hostesses they uh it's up in kind of it's a Grass Valley Auburn area kind of uh Northern
California super super sick place um and they have about I don't know 20
different trails probably going down the mountain geez and we for the race it's
an enduro race and we ra we get to practice on Friday like five trails and then we race six we race 11 of them
between Saturday and Sunday so like about five or six are blind which is pretty kind of gnarly it's gnarly i
didn't actually know that yeah they're they're uh they're hard trails i've I've done it the past like I don't know five
or six years now so I know the trails now which is a huge help people who go for the first time like we had a couple friends do it for the first time this
year and it's it's gnarly doing that stuff blind i mean you really have no idea what to expect it's pretty crazy
but yeah Friday practice was good um to uh to note I was racing ebikes i was
racing our Crestline bike or RS180 or LS180 or no sorry S180 they're getting
confusing now figure that out Troy the S180 the Anyway big travel full ebike
super fun um the the race itself is kind of a party race so people are out every night there's a huge bonfire and stuff
and people are drinking and having fun and so it's more fun to do the race on an ebike
i mean it's just straight up it's gotten more popular over the years too with the ebikes yeah every year it's like the more people sign up it was like the
ebike class had five people and now the Procast has like It still it still has like 20 people but yeah Evike Classic
yeah probably had like 20 people now there's like 50 people and uh there's probably about 100 pros and all the
serious guys on like are racing the normal bikes cuz that's their their job but all the there's a bunch of free
riders get invited and stuff like guys who are doing Rampage and stuff they're all racing it so we're racing with them
it's super fun um so yeah you get to do a bunch of laps on Friday and practice and so practice this year was in the dry
it was awesome got a bunch of laps in feeling super good the bike was awesome and then uh come Saturday morning it
just it's raining and we're camping and you said it's like clay right it's like it's all red clay um it's like a slip
and slide slip and slide so it was about it was about 40° too it was pretty cold oh my god um so yeah a little grim just
just staying alive by like they had a campfire at the top so just trying to stay warm from the fire and yeah so
first stage go down and about 20 seconds in I just crash there's like the trail the trail splits
and you have to there's a bunch of numbers on trees and you have to figure out what number you have to go to to correspond to what stage you're doing
and I'm I'm looking and then turn right and then all of a sudden I'm on the ground dang it so finish that do the
next two stages and then uh fourth stage goes around same thing have to go right
and I crash in the same exact spot on this on the Yeah it was going to lead
into a different trail but the first part was the same yeah crashed in the same spot and I was pissed and uh yeah I
ended up crashing on a rock i bent my chain ring and broke the chain and uh I
mean I probably could have bent the chain ring back but it was cracked and so I just went
home i just I was so over it um it was pretty it was pretty grim out there
racing in the mud like we're from Southern California so we don't really ride in the mud too much and when it is muddy it's like okay for the most part
it's not super slippery this clay stuff is like ice so you hit the brake or you
don't even hit the brakes and you just are on the ground so I'm not super good at that riding i prefer the dust and
blown out conditions and uh Yeah but other than that it was a fun experience i I wish I didn't break it so that I
could have done the whole thing but you know you can't win them all so it is it is what it is savage yeah one one of the
days in Roto was super greasy slippery it's tough and it's it's steep too so
some sometimes you're in these shoots and you're just in it and like you're just in it you're just controlled
sliding it's like I don't ski or snowboard but it reminds me of if you're skiing a snowboarding like a shoot or a
coolar you're just in it right like there's nothing you can do you're committed i hit two trees that day
turns out they don't move both of them I caught but like the one
of them I hit pretty hard caught both elbows jammed into my ribs and like literally bruised both my ribs they're
still a little sore yeah cuz Yeah you're committed in a shoot and you can't stop and you got to look where you're going
and tough and then you look at a tree too long and now you're hitting it yeah right i guess I've been aiming towards it yeah yeah it's I I feel feel for
people who ride in those conditions a lot they obviously get good at riding stuff shout out Phil you know how good
Phil is at riding in Italy dude Phil is he excels in gnarly stuff well he is
blowing my socks off in Roou that is crazy just dropping me yeah he's just like me yeah just dropping in all he's
like "I know this." He's like "This is my baby." Where Where have you been man
not in test jeez that's so sick sick well we have
one more new segment that we've been teasing y'all with that's right before you hear a word from our sponsors that's
wonderful Liam uh so our buddy Josh who
uh Friend of the Pod yeah front of the pod he's in Tasmania we're talking about this and he has um his friend named Mai
well hang on we got to introduce this the segment okay so the segment is I
thought this was kind of a fun name kind of play on mountain biking single track matchmaker because single you know
singles single track matchmaker matchmaker swam don't sue a swam um single track
matchmaker so um long story short we're we're putting people together we are the
matchmakers here and if you're you know due to the supply and the demand I
believe this segment is going to be for mostly the female spot because
there's way too many of you dudes out there looking for this so don't email us
but that is a good caveat we're not featuring Joe and Tom on here
this one's for Mai yeah this one's for Mai this one's for Mai you want to read the her her So this is this is a
testimonial from our friend Josh yeah good preface ma is a very sweet and generous to her friends and community
she's outdoorsy enjoys mountain biking camping she travels a lot for work so she has a hard time in the Dallas dating
scene especially when looking for a mountain biker but traveling for work consistently also opens up opportunities
to meet people while visiting visiting her professional destinations like Houston Aspen Denver
and Scottdale she's spontaneous and often times of the often oftent times
the life of the party with funny stories and self-deprecating humor she ran a half marathon earlier this year and
regularly rides mountain bike she writes a clapped out pivot so her new man needs to know how to turn a wrench and grease
the bearings that's not a eupheanism but it could be
there you go jumping or pivot switchblade might be a challenge but jumping in a new relationship won't be
nice what a great profile yeah he's got away with words
um so if you're a something uh single something or other
who rides mountain bikes rides mountain bikes do you know how about how old she is like like probably maybe 30sish yeah
yeah okay yeah because Josh is around there so I'm guessing around there yeah I would assume so so um if you're
looking for someone like my send send us an email yeah you know get get send us a
pitch and we will connect you guys and who knows what will come of this it could be a recurring segment we might
get inundated with uh single mountain bike ladies who are looking for single
mountain bike men and we could just this could be a whole even spin-off opportunity here or it could be crazy
and nobody is ever going to email us yeah yeah like a Ryan's Roses segment
and And if there's other five I think we we're up to five female listeners now maybe actually I think we're up to
double digits no i think we are yeah female listeners let us know let us know in the comments show Show us some love
see let's see like where you guys are at yeah and and then and then also shoot us an email if you're like my and you're
looking for a mountain bike guy who you know we'll take care of you take you to
the trail head and pump up spin your wrenches and grease your bearings bearings and uh beautiful service your
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well we have some kind of cool new products out bike industry's been doing
its thing yeah we kind of missed the whole uh sea otter thing during the this uh little podcast break we've taken we
got pre some of the pre- stuff but I'm looking at five new products here four new products four new products
yeah uh Liam you've been running this first one the reverb axis the all new reverb axis i have new reverb axis and
how much travel i have the 225 drop now oh my god 225 mil it goes to what 240
now 250 250 that's insane 25 mil increments from 250 to 100 mil that's
crazy yeah that's pretty legit yeah so 250 is crazy though that's a lot that's a lot of drop that's a lot of drop
you're doing like a full squat to get all the way down i'd say probably most of the time I like my natural spots to
drop it around a 200 mil um and then it goes all the way down for like the proper descents and stuff but yeah if
I'm like in a quick kind of just put it down which is what's nice about the reverb is like it's so quick i mean I
think your your Fox is the same way like wireless posts are what they're how do you say they're
not needed right like right a cable actuated oneup dropper post or whoever it may be works pretty damn good these
days yep but the nice sure is nice though the nice thing about the wireless Yeah nice thing about the wireless ones
is like I feel like you can easier with less effort get it into that middle spot
that you want and like just down a little bit or up a little bit and you don't have to do the whole range um so
yeah it's it's great um the new reverb axis has builtin squish i think they
call like ride dynamic or something like that dynamic ride performance good marketing um essentially there's no oil
in this anymore so it should last way longer i think they doubled the service interval in it oh wow um so it's just
two air chambers so at full lock full extension it's got a lock so it's rock solid and then once you go below that it
basically has squish now and sorry I'm will say otherwise but this might just
be the way they designed it and the way it's like hey we don't really want to figure out how to not do this we're just
going to call it something yeah it's just a consequence of their engineering correct yeah uh but so beware if you do
get one uh Troyan called me before it was out it's like hey uh does your post do this i was like you're not supposed
to do this he goes okay i mean cuz from the previous reverb that's just like a like uh oh I have to get my my post
serviced or something's wrong or you got you got hit the vent valve well now now it's a full lock it's I believe it's
like a mechanical lock at top out so it won't have that and then yeah below that it does they move the battery from the
top of the seat post uh at the rails or the mounting spot to below the or at the
seat post collar um be it as you will i don't know some people doesn't look that good it's
polarizing it's definitely not as clean looking as the first version but uh you can get in these massive drops with you
know uh like medium 29 inch bikes which or smalls which was an issue on his post
so no clearance issues yeah if you know Jesse Melamid like last year was running his he had custom guts machines so he
could flip his battery to the front of his saddle um so he didn't hit it with his 29 in rear wheel cuz he runs a size
small so that's cool works well after living with it for a little bit like uh
that squish in the middle like did do you even notice it really no and I was riding it on a 160 mil bike 170 mil bike
so like my bike's squishing so much anyways yeah yeah and you weren't really riding like I mean that kind of like undulating single track really anyways
yeah like there's a few tech climbs where I was using it where I drop it a teeny bit to get up but uh I didn't really notice it at all now um I will
say the wireless for putting in a bike box is real nice cuz I took it out every single time true yeah I did the same i
mean to get under 50 lbs or whatever and that was really nice yeah so uh yeah it's been great big drops um 250 is
diabolical 250 is insane yeah like do you think you could run that i got long legs and I have a huge inseam and I
think 250 would be too much i I see I could run it on my frameworks it's got enough insertion and I have long enough
legs really i don't need to i've got a ton of post because it's pretty low it's
close lung and and it has straight insertion all the way down but yeah when you're if you're using it that's too
much like if you're going to drop into a trail you have to do a full squat leg
i kind of like where the 200 is in my knees like it's a balancing
point it's like a a third kind of like I don't know what to call it like axis or
Yeah like you're kind of leaning on it on a corner or you know so on the contact point you Yeah you can feel
where the bike is underneath you which I think is pretty important if it's too low it's going to hit your calves at a
certain point yeah and it's going to get in the way if it hits your calves if it's kind of up in your knees then um
it's kind of in the perfect spot I think so I think you can go have or have too much drop um I agree but for sure it's
been been rock solid no issues so nice yep awesome
uh speaking of Rock Solid we are now carrying Trick Stuff brakes yeah this is
a big one and you have been running them you did run them for a little while you're not You don't have them on your bike right now i just took them off for
the for the the trip um yeah as I was nervous of not having spare parts in
case luckily I didn't crash so probably didn't need them but it's a lot harder
to find trick stuff parts in the middle of nowhere versus you know possibly a part or two yeah yeah um but no they're
they're amazing like uh they are the creme de la creme of the brakes they are
creme they are top shelf they are they're they're insane
they you hold them in your hand you're like "This is machined bike jewelry that works it's a work." Trevor and I went to
DT Swiss who owns Trick Stuff and one of the main Trick Stuff guys was there and gave us literally a twoday crash course on these
brakes from every little seal all the way up how to build them how to bleed them run them everything get a lever in
your hand or a caliper in your hand and take it all apart put it back together and bleed it like super easy and super
good and that's super cool lever feels super light tons of power
and just it's just a nice trick piece of equipment to have on your bike they're
super precise super quality uh super actually durable like when the guy first
started bleeding them me and Trevor were like I've never seen someone bleed a brake like that like Yeah like we're
we're bike mechanics and we know how to bleed brakes right yeah and this guy's going like so aggressive with the bleed
in the in and plunging it and or pulling a vacuum into the into the brake he said he was like manhandling him and he was
he was like he was like "Yeah." He's like "Don't you want to get the air out?" And he's like "Our seals are
precise and our you know that's why we machine our bodies they're precise like way more precise." Uh you know because
of this wow so yeah they're super cool um they're expensive they just came out with a updated Piccolo HD which comes
with a super cool 3D printed titanium lever that just looks really trick i
don't think it does anything different than the carbon one but yeah it's got like a little more texture on it yeah but it looks sick looks cool it's just
another like trick thing to have in your bike perfect for like a super light XC race rig so sick but we have them in
stock we have more coming um they're on the site and yeah I ran the Maximas for quite a while i did that huge uh uh what
was that called uh transana oh yeah with the maximas 10,000 feet of blind
descending in a day like they had it was awesome no no no fade no issues the duressimma is one step above the maxima
one below one below one below that's like their trail enduro brakes maxima would be like a maven durotisma would be
like a code piccolo HD would be like a motive okay and piccolo would be like a you know XC two piston brake okay that's
the whole that's the whole lineup right there sick yeah they're awesome absolutely
they've got some with braided lines so if you're unfamiliar with that like a braided line has is compressionless um
basically so when you're when you're squeezing a brake sometimes you can see the brake hose actually move or it'll
actually expand a little bit that just means uh like worse brake feel just it's expanding right you don't want anything
to expand so um they've got braided hoses available as well and um yeah those are super cool as well just it
looks cool as well it looks really cool definitely that's so baller wow yep so those are cool wow uh you know what else
is cool the new Druid E druid E from Forbidden new Forbidden eBike
DJI system it is insane we ordered a few we ordered 12 sold 12 really
whoa i'm trying to get more but yeah they don't have more yet whoa so people people want them man i mean we've had
the Amplow for a while here and we we were doing a little bit of bit of a review and test on the Amplow which was
DJI's kind of house house bike and it's proven to be It's been solid solid it's
been really good and fast so fast so fast super light i mean the Amplow that
we have is 46 lbs and looks like a normal bike and so the the actual Amlow
bike itself was not super high quality you know it's kind of just like a China bike but the system itself that that's
running it is just kind of just up the game for the ebike market so it's super
exciting to see a company like Forbidden which we're all stoked on to come out and spec one of their their first ebike
with with the Avenox DJI system they definitely took their time coming to the ebike market they wanted to do it
forbidden and they wanted to make sure it was good and they wanted a motor that was good um I was I had been chatting
with them over the years about it um and they're going to another motor company and they switched to this uh pretty much
like LA not I want to say last minute but like they switched to it at the last
moment they could without delaying their ebike production and I think it was a great move for them i think so too um it
just wouldn't have hit the same if it was just another motor from like no offense to Shimano or whatever but any
any other brand X Y and Z like it's just like okay there's a million ebikes that motor out there like this ebike has a
unique platform and motor and battery system that is like quite frankly a step
above I feel like the other ones out there i mean I think Bosch is solid but like the power and the and the Avenox is
like just insane technology it's just it's very easy to use it works well
while you're riding it as well and I've always said since ebikes kind of first came out and high pivot bikes were
starting to become a thing like why not make a high pivot ebike it just makes way way too much sense there's not a lot
out there roco has one and then like the Trek/E yeah I think so yeah and I've heard great very recent stuff so like
yeah the market's catching up but it's super cool to see it now with this new lightweight high power system yeah and
all the reviews have been kind of raving about the bike yeah so far so yeah they have the one for test and that'll be
sick yeah so they have the uh what is it the Druid E Light which is the was 130 140 bike 14150 140 150 and then the
Druid E Core which is 150 160 so there's kind of And then the the Druid Light
comes with a lighter weight battery same power um just Yeah lighter weight battery lighter weight components like a
Lyric style build mhm super Deluxe yeah drudy Core like Zeb and um um
vividiv full full uh 800 hours and they kind of know most people are going to go to the core i think they only have one
color on the light and two colors on the core like kind of breaking up their their audience that they know but it
looks sick we're stoked uh we sold our demo because there's so much demand so no point in having a bike you can demo
if you can't buy it so we sold them and yeah we're waiting for more to come in but check it out they are sick and I
think we still are taking names if you'd like to know your name on one so yeah sick one more product dts Swiss 350 DEG
you guys say that again dt350 DEG uh you guys went to DTS Swiss tell us about it
yeah so they already have the DEG technology it's the new drive ring technology um it's a larger ratchet ring
uh pretty similar to like the OG ratchet system but it's larger so there's more teeth to engage um and you don't have to
remove the drive ring to service the uh inner drive bearing yeah so the drive
ring is bigger than the actual bearing that's smart these are a pain yeah i think the 350 DEG comes with a 72 point
engagement but it's upgradeable to the 90 to like the 240 DEG sick and they come in some limited colors right now i
think they're still available in the limited color um I don't know if they're fully sold out but uh yeah it's just like pretty
much if you want a pretty high engagement super solid hub and you don't want to break the bank 350 DEG is like a
trail bike to downhill bike I'd run trail bike if you're worried about weight to XC bike I'd run the 350 E ex
EX or no or 240 240 EXP or the standard 350 yeah yeah wow super cool just
another step in the line for them and I think it's kind I think that 72 is kind of a perfect point of engagement you
know it's not overkill like a hydra let's say like where it's just there's so much engagement 300 plus points of
engagement like it's enough engagement you're never going to be like man I need more engagement but it's
also super durable still cuz once you get a super high engagement like the the
pieces of metal that are engaging are so small yeah so like you want a lot of metal to engage and that's what this
deeg system fixes it increases the ring size so you get lots of metal engaging
on itself and it's from from what I was understanding because the drive ring is
much bigger that the metal that is engaging at the same time is the same as the 54 to upgrade kit for the like
normal ratchet system so same reliability as you were getting from a normal ratchet but now with more points
of engagement and it's much more serviceable and yeah if you've ever taken out a drive ring uh from a DT
Swiss hub you will understand how awesome it would be to not have to remove that because they are stuck I've
seen you guys struggle with them yeah it takes two to three people to get that out yeah huge breaker it's an event for
sure not much more satisfying than getting one of those loose yeah that's for sure makes you feel like a champ but
yeah it's sick option love everything TT Swiss does so that's right so yeah some
good good new products um yeah bikes are awesome bike bike components are awesome
they're getting super good super dialed and very intricate and and reliable it's just it's a good time to be riding bikes
right now really is well said Trevor we'll just give a quick quick drop on this one yeah Jeff's video jeff's insane
boom and bust video uh totally crushed that video and a lot of people really
appreciated the take that he provided on that video just a honest calm approach
to where the bike industry is and where we've gone so mostly where Jeff has gone
we're just kind of follow analytical and pragmatic approach
yeah people ask me like all the time like oh like how's worldwide and then I like I tell them about how it is and
it's good but I also explain to them about trail one and kettle and most people have like no idea about that so
it's super cool um I I've told people in the last week to just watch the video because it just explains everything so
well and I think he did a super good job with that yeah he really did so if you haven't seen it you have 20 minutes to
kill you want to learn about the bike industry and worldwide go and watch it yeah just not listen to us talk about
stupid stuff on Yeah get educated by someone a little bit smarter yeah there's just smarter than us maybe not
smarter than you but I don't know where you are right this it's just nice to see that video because like you I mean we've
all seen all the videos it's like rage bait like industries ending and it's just like oh clickbait YouTubers just
trying to Yeah and I'm like come on so I think I mean obviously a little biased
but personally I think this is the best take and like the best version of that type of video that is out there and it
has all the facts for those who don't know Jeff I mean Jeff's on the podcast so you kind of get a glimpse of it but
like he's like when he's in the car he's not listening to music he's listening to like economic podcasts you know he's
he's he's such a nerd about it and he he kind of lives the CEO role for the company and for sure um it's it's cool
to hear him just kind of regurgitate that stuff a little bit cuz it's really what he's the most passionate about yeah yeah jared have you ever spent a morning
with him where he listens to his four podcasts a marketplace podcast and some
of those are okay of them but the one that is like all of the CEOs I'm just
like oh they're insufferable to me I've done plenty of road trips with Jeff
or we we alternate one of my dumb podcast one of his smart podcasts that's a great way to do it cuz some of those
I'm like mine are dumb mine are like mountain bike or athletes or something like that right more normal yeah more
normal not like well you know it's funny about how you say that ROI affect your company i was like "Oh come on." Just
like like I know you like he but he is a he is uh unapologetically passionate
about business but because of that we can make stupid podcasts about bikes that's right which perfectly
segus us into some listener questions yeah that was a long previous to listener questions but we made it it's
good you know we had a lot to catch up on we had some meat and potatoes there a lot to talk about that's right so let's
jump right in i can uh I can read this this recently heard you talk about the new
Banshee Anomaly frame a couple episodes ago and haven't been able to quite shake the feeling that the Anomaly needs to be
my next bike i feel like my current bike which is a Canondale Bad Habit is overkill for the trails where I'm doing
almost all of my riding which is in Charlotte North Carolina i'd be much happier with a lighter hard tail that's
somewhere between XC and a trail bike but what really intrigued me is the idea of having a hard tail that could double
as a gravel bike liam this sounds like a question for you I uh I could see a scenario where I swap
the flat bars and stem for a Shirley corner corner bars plus stem and swap
mountain bike tires/ rims for 700c gravel tire rims and voila gravel bike
is that crazy or so crazy it could work my bike quiver ceiling is three bikes and with a road bike and commuter
already this could give me a mountain bike and a gravel bike in one thanks again for the great podcast love to hear
you guys nerding out every episode about bikes i mean brother you definitely can i had the anomaly built up when I rode
it for a bit um as like a pretty aggressive XC bike i had a rigid fork on it at one point i had a 110 mil
suspension fork on it um it could easily work as like a drop bar mountain bike uh
main thing with that I mean you're gonna be swapping it's hard to get these brake line connectors they're out there but
it's hard to find them but essentially it's a quick connect that you can put in your lines to be able to swap from a
flat bar mountain bike lever to a drop bar you know road bike lever and you don't have to bleed it you don't have to
bleed it you can do like four or five times without bleeding it really um that'd be cool for this and then also
you need to shorten up your stem i'd probably say by 30 to 40 mil to go do
the G to do the Yeah to do a drop bar ideally you would be sizing down to do a
drop bar so you'd run like a medium with like a 70 or 80 mil stem and then like a
large with like a 70 or 80 mil stem between drop bar and and flat bar but obviously you can find a balance between
the two and like figure that out could be cool um I mean if you're not racing
gravel run a flat bar tape the inside of your bars and run that that's how I do do my hard tail that's what I was gonna
say um just run the just save just save you work and just swap tires swap tires
and I tape the inside of my bars with roi tape um I even put blip shifters on the inside for axis and I run my hard
tail and gravel you know quote unquote group rides locally we our gravel is
basically straight up straight down so like I'm not in a paceeline that much um
and yeah it's different here it it is a little different here but I just have a hard I just have a basically all road
bike and a hard tail now um and I cut out the pure gravel bike because around us it's not that fun yeah gravel is I
think best around here at least as just like an adventure ride and like using the gravel and dirt roads to connect
bits of asphalt you know not necessarily like all out single track or double track like Yeah it's like all road Yeah
kind of all condition sort of sort of ride yeah but I think you put it perfectly Liam i'm like that bike yes it
very well could serve both these purposes um but I don't even think he needs to go to these these lengths to
achieve both of these you know goals like like you said just put some tape on the inside of the bar and like you could
even run the same tires like the Aspens you have on your other hardware like you could ride the shells on that and you
could probably go just as fast on Continental Dub and tall look sick haven't ridden it yet but would like to
those new Conts do look pretty sick but yeah just run those fast swabies and
then you and then Yeah and then if you want to go ride some gnarier stuff just put on like whatever some forecasters or
if Yeah yeah for sure even if you wanted to on even just the front um Yeah there
you go get the Anomaly let us know how you like it all right guys this is a heavyhitting question you're given a
million dollars but you have to spend it all at a gas station within 24 hours what's your strategy easy okay let's
hear it lotto tickets oh wow i didn't think about that what are What are Yeah what would the odds of me getting my
million dollars back though i'd say pretty high it's got to be high a million dollars in lotto tickets you've
got to win something definitely like it's better spent than I don't know getting protein shakes and I
was going to cigarettes i I was I was thinking uh a ton of cigarettes
and a lot of tickets i was smuggle them to Australia and New Zealand yeah double your money triple yeah triple your money
that's right oh we we we learned how much cigarettes cost down there $50 a pack wow for some in some of these areas
smokers yeah crazy and some and jewels tom was like "Smuggle next time you come
back just smuggle a bunch of paraphernalia." So funny um there you go lotto tickets so you're doing cigarettes
and lotto tickets and slurpies all right i think um you could get so many slurpies for a million cuz cuz I mean
realistically what you buy you spend like a,000 bucks on cigarettes and and
slurpies and you spend the rest other $999,000 on lotto tickets so you guys
gave me some ideas so okay this is my original idea but I don't know if you guys saw um the news story about the
people who they took the box truck filled with a huge tank like a couple of like 250gallon tanks inside the box
truck to steal gas from the gas station okay so I would do something like that but I wouldn't steal it i would just you
know I'd pay for use and keep it for my own use so to have like you know unlimited not gas but a lot of gas on
demand at my house does gas save uh depending on the type of gas like but there are gas like stabilizers you get
if you're storing it for a long time like for instance a lot of people put them in their boats or RVs as they're saying for a long time um or motorcycles
but I would do so I'd probably do half gas and then cigarettes and lotto tickets and then I'd probably also clean
them out of all the beer and um non-p perishable items they have
interesting so you'd have to go to one one of those gas stations on the way to Vegas that are just like the biggest gas
stations in the world do you do you think we like or Do you think we could
get this million dollar spent at the gas station market we shopped at in Tasmania before Medina
oh we probably buy the whole store i don't think we could oh because they had like a meat section was it big no I
don't I don't think we could spend a million oh you don't think we could i don't even know if they have a lot of them yeah I don't think we probably could either i mean I would assume most
gas stations probably don't have a million dollars worth of inventory except for maybe one like a leg of loves
or something like that big big one yeah this we we bought enough groceries to
live for like 2 and a half days from this little market gas station they had like little packaged meat from like the
cow that was like killed across the street you know it was cool it was good though we made it work made a couple of
bolognese and stuff all right mtv podcast Brain Trust love the pod been
listening since before y'all started hosting it i have to say y'all's version is more entertaining for sure and has generally more applicable information
but the other guys had good info too here's my question i recently bought a Stump Jumper Comp Alloy 15 and I'm
already trying to figure out how to travel with it i know a lot of people use the Evok bag my issue with that is that it's pricey and it won't hold my
whole bike while staying under 50 lb plus it seems like you need to pack a bunch of pool noodles around it i'm
willing to bite the bullet if it's the best way for safety and cost but I'm interested in other options what do y'all use what do you like and not like
do you have other suggestions thanks Jens congrats Lind Studio keep up the good content well it's funny you asked
this is the question this is the question of questions right here it is we got some We went down the rabbit hole
this year we went through the same dilemma previously we've always used Elock bags
they work great they're kind of the tried and true like you said like bikes going to be good at the end
of the day yeah you buy pool noodles but it's like maybe you don't even need them really you buy you buy like two pool
noodles that's just kind of for like added protection just in case you get an angry airport worker but uh they're good
no issues the problem is it is really hard to get an Evok bag and an enduro bike under 50 lbs it's basically
impossible basically so you're either pulling parts off like derailers easy if
you have wireless parts like dropper derailer that's easy pedals chain rotors just pull off so you pull all that stuff
off and you can usually get under 50 pounds um or you travel without tires and you get tires where you're going or
you got or you got to hold the bag where the when the attendants uh weighing it i couldn't do that one time this trip they
caught me once yeah they're on to it hold the bag up with your leg or or your hand while the while they're weighing it
every other country they like take it put it on a conveyor belt and move it on the conveyor belt and then it weighs and
then it goes off they figured it out man people are doing that yep so uh so
there's two other kind of options we've been looking at one we bought last year
it's called the bike box squirt is importing them into the US so you can go
to squirt.com look at the bike box pick that thing up um it's not super cheap
however it's like super light you can get an enduro bike in there with your helmet and knee pads at under 50 lbs
it's made from like a chloroplast type of plastic material yeah it's basically a big plastic box it doesn't last
absolutely forever but for the normal person who takes one or two trips a year it'll last you for 5 years
but it does come with some wheels that are kind of so so little J so so Oh yeah
the ones you like strap on yeah but it's it's also huge it's a pain to travel with it's massive it's massive and it's
a pain to travel with like if you have like I was on this Tasmania New Zealand
trip i was there's times I was walking a quarter mile from the shuttle drop off to dropping my backs and I I one times I
took two breaks i was dying you had and and I had wheels and stuff and I was dying like I had duffles and backpacks i
changed my whole travel so the I I would spent 250 bucks on a bag that day if I if I needed if I knew it was going to
work better but the Evok bag before and my buddies had the third wheel where you could just lay down i had the Evok bag
really heavy bike with all my luggage and everything going across freaking Waka and Yeah I was over it y it's it
can be brutal that's one thing you don't really consider right yeah so the Squirt's cool it works for that it just
isn't the most convenient and Trevor and I did it to Mexico and we had to get our own separate like van taxi oh our our
buddy Andres couldn't couldn't fit us in his SUV which was like super shitty super bad my bad um because it wouldn't
the two boxes and two of us wouldn't fit in his SUV which is which is it shouldn't be a thing yeah right you know
I mean those are basically the size of like a new box a new bike box right they're they're huge so there other
options still not quite as light as the Evok however I'll tell you how to save money in it um the Aroo case travel bike
bag you have to disassemble your bike a little bit more you take the fork off in addition to the wheels and and move the
bars but it still weighs roughly about the same as the Evok maybe it's a touch
lighter so Jared and I were still removing some parts and putting them in check bag however it's so small it fits
in the trunk of basically any Uber yep so therefore I took four or five Ubers
on this trip that I went on every single time I paid for the lowest Uber rate 2030 bucks instead of getting a Uber XL
paying 35 45 bucks so every single time I Ubered I saved 20 bucks
um over the five times I paid enough to check that bag on all my flights and I
think therefore it is basically a wash yeah it's really small to travel with you can get in any Uber it makes it
super super convenient um is you do need to make sure you're packing the bike
correctly in there um so you need like some good good foam uh like a pool noodle or something but I
I enjoyed how small it was it made a huge difference to travel around especially if you're going to go to
Europe where everything is small yeah even compared to the Evok bag the regular Evok bag so smaller cars uh uh
elevators they're so small oh yeah true and well we fit two of them and all of our luggage in the back of that
crossover and pages and we had the seat we could have had the seats almost all the way up right but we had one down
yeah we had a midsize SUV with three people two bike bags and three people's worth of luggage
that wouldn't work otherwise not no EVOC bag like No but the overcase like perfectly stacked in the trunk like flat
like slid in like a puzzle piece yeah yeah honestly if you're using an Evo bag and traveling you kind of need a truck
you kind or van cuz when we've done it like US trips we get a minivan and it works great but or Yeah or if you have a
truck right but um sometimes a minivan cheaper to rent if you're renting a car but you know the cheapest is obviously a
car like a small car and with these Aroo case uh travel bags slip right in the
trunk you can fit fit like just a back seat mhm oh yeah you could probably fit in like the trunk of a Camry honestly I
think I think Yeah i got picked up in like a car fit right in i got picked up in like this teeny Ford i've never seen
this states it was like microscopic SUV and and the dude looks at me and I was
like "Let's try." Fit right in do you even have to move a seat down on this fit right in or case
yeah so but yeah you do have to package it a little bit and it still ends up being over 50 lb however if you're
Ubering or you're getting a rental car you can save money on the cheaper rental car and then pay for your your baggage
fee yeah unless you have a light bike um or if it's like super electronic like
ours we were able like like we were taking off our dropper posts we like I took off my cassette rotors um pretty
much anything that Yeah like you said chain pedals all that stuff was in a separate bag checked and I think on the
way back I did leave a tire back right but I was under 50 yeah like you said
you can travel without tires put them on put put put tires like brand new tires in your separate bag mount them when you
get there yeah tires should actually be able to go through like a carry-on as well that's the problem most bike parts
can't really go on as a carry-on through TSA they'll Yeah tires though for sure tires can though yeah got room yeah so
there yeah man it's a It's a puzzle piece in a in a rabbit hole to go down it is sorry
we don't have like a clear It's like your solution either a durable
case a light case or I don't know a small case like pick one
right and if you're worried about like an EOC bag or something like that being too pricey like you can always just get
like a a good bike box it's like the bare minimum yeah some people do that right not really reusable pros don't
travel with Evok bags they travel with bike they travel bike however they're probably a little less worried about this stuff getting trashed than everyone
else but if you look at the way Pro travels Nico just posts a photo he every time he goes to you know somewhere he
posts a photo and it's like it's like it's like Rick vers United every time
and he's got like six bike boxes at the check line and I'm sure they probably see him walking up and they go "Oh my
god." And yeah he either you know gets away with it and they're like "Yeah cool." Or they're going to hound him but
but for the record we also didn't get charged at all just a normal check bag fee check bag fee every single time and
like on my return flights uh I don't even think I paid like so So did it
matter if it was over 50 well yes but they also char they go by kilograms when
we were coming back and it was like 50 it was like 27 or 28 kg or something like that was that 20 yeah 25 kilo or
something like that which ended up being like 55 lbs so we ended up being unclear anyways but um so that was cool there you go and you
think it's cuz it didn't look like a bike bag that's part of it i don't know jeff Jeff got with a little cheeky one
but we're going to hold that one close to our chest for Yeah the on the on the I don't think I don't know if you guys brought them but on Jeff's like the uh
on the side of the bag it says therapy equipment ours have that which isn't necessarily a lie no it's absolutely not
therapy it's my therapy yeah yeah it is oh yeah it is um I didn't have the balls to do it but Kev did so yeah same well
we uh that's a long long pod
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