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Jeff Goes for 24 hours, Our Favorite Products of 2024, Best Chain Lubes & More... Ep. 148 [Podcast]

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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 148 of the MTB podcast presented and

hosted by worldwide Cyclery I'm Jared I'm Jeff and I'm Liam in this episode we

discuss my 24 hours at the Old Fort endurance Festival some of our favorite

things this year and some super listener questions ranging from the best Bond villain to the best way to take care of

your chain and everything in between whoa nice work on that thanks Jared

super super super listener question some super listening questions yeah they better be super super good they're just

super listening super you can fill in the rest Zach is on holiday vacation

we've replaced his words of wisdom with Cody's parenting advice none of us are

parents so Cody's offering us some parenting advice since probably a lot of you listening are what is it Jared Cody

says don't start elf on the Shelf whatever you do and there was a big

debate that we can't explain that any further because we don't want to ruin anything for anyone and that's that just don't onto

Daniel's fun fact onto Daniel's fun fact Christmas trees usually grow for nearly 15 years before they can be

sold fun fact about the fun fact I worked at a Christmas tree lot one

year nice yeah really yeah that's cool what job has Jared not have that's a

good question your real estate agent carder um well you know people if

they're looking for like a certain type of tree like you know you got your Douglas Furs I forgot what the other

one's called um but stting Floy it depends on like how much they want to spend right and so like for me as like a

guy working on the lot I know all the trees on the lot like if you want a big one if you yeah if you want a certain

size if you want a certain type and uh you know you can go help people and you're like oh you want I got you that's

a sounds like a bigm tree lot yeah well it was average as a Christmas tree lot

owner would it just be easier to go here's all the Douglas first 3 foot to 8 foot put them in order oh yeah we do

that and then on the other side same direct people to the right ones one and there signs and then you just cut half

your employees but are you Elon Musk are you part of the Department of government efficiency

that was incredible I think there's only two guys that worked on the lot anyways and so typically you know you help you do a fresh cut on the bottom you got to

give the fresh cut proba smells good all day there oh yeah and then uh maybe a little bit trimming if people want to

trim and then you tie it on top of their car for them you know you want to know fun fact you don't have a Christmas tree I've never had a real Christmas tree in

my life growing up or no wow you know it's it's a pretty conflicting you know

there's not a single Christmas decoration in my apartment well you could just have the tree without it because to show you

don't have a lady living with you yeah Taylor brought one for us and my roommate who is a female doesn't care at

all she's only there half the time right yeah but yeah it's like it's kind of like I don't know uh polar or not

polarizing but it's I'm torn between the whole Christmas tree thing right cuz like it's fun it smells good and it's nice it's a cool experience but at the

same time it's like it's the industry I have like mixed feelings about right like cutting a bunch of trees down

Trucking them down here for people to put them in their house for a couple weeks and throw them away or yeah it's kind of ridiculous you know what I like

is those scented pine cones just fall on the ground anyway so no harm no foul

there and those smell great l Home Depot put him in the you doing at Home Depot

dude to Home Depot oh I bought him at Walgreens okay

even weirder you do there picking up your medication at Walgreens to get something I don't know honestly I don't

even remember what I got Taylor but I had to buy something and it was on the way home and we stopped there and I was like I like those Bine cones and now my

place smells great that's awesome I like those one last fact about the Christmas trees cool thing that we did with the

Christmas trees that didn't get sold is they were all donated to a big cat not like cat with like a big I'm talking

about like links and like cougars they love to play with big Christmas trees and like claw them and bite them and

stuff I like taking them in the desert and Ling them on fire that's a cool thing for people to do you know but yeah

I guess big cats love to play this is some serious mountain bike knowledge on this podcast so far I guess we should start with that huh we're 5 minutes in

haven't even said mountain bike once it's a we're it's festive you know it's festive this is the holiday season baby

this is the holiday podcast all right fantastic T give him fantastic testimonial give it to him uh

thank you all and especially Jeff for the Adventure Race updates and stories I got an a mountain biking through adventure racing I raced AR

competitively for over a decade and it makes me very happy to know that people are still out there destroying themselves and hallucinating for days at

a time that is definitely true in that sport I had to give it up when I had

kids the time commitments aren't really compatible with having a family but I miss it and love hearing about it and now that mountain biking is my main

sport I love that I can hear about both along with really great info and tips in one podcast thanks again and can we get

an update on being the cat please my cats Toothless and fudgy potato are asking I'm just going to say why do cats

have the most like f out there names fudgy potato fudy potato Toothless and

fudgy potato and I want to know the nicknames for each of those cats because I guarantee you there's like four that

I've evolved they're so far down the road that's how every Pet Works dude people in their pets man you're just not

a pet guy if you had a bunch of pets like dogs I love dogs I think dogs are better than humans yeah but if if you

had dogs they get fun in games I just can't have one now with my lifestyle but yeah yeah well Bean is doing great they

ask what's the update on bean Bean's doing fantastic speaking of the Christmas tree she loves the tree I was going to say when talking about the

Christmas tree talk yeah does Bean like jump all over the tree and tear down ornaments and stuff you know so

thankfully she doesn't but one year she actually did climb the tree to the top almost and like jumped out jumped out

but she honestly nowadays she just like likes to hang at it and like smell the leaves and um

Pines the pine needles you're right they're not leaves I said leaves that was so wrong in me I'm embarrassed and

uh she likes to drink Christmas tree loser dude loser she likes to drink the

TR the Christmas tree water at the bottom interesting yeah not healthy she loves standing water like we put out a

glass for her on the table and she drinks out of it I just thought of the funniest little short form Instagram

video and it's just someone at a Christmas tree lot and they walk up and you're there and you're Santa hat and they're like yeah I want to buy a Christmas tree and you're like what kind

of leaves do you want on it man oh my God I make one mistake I'll will never

hear the end of it you know where you didn't make a mistake is the fox 36 video that you just produced and

released well I did make a couple mistakes I was very impressed thought you were well spoken and that was one of

the most in-depth videos on a fork damper we've ever made probably might might top it thank

you i' have to go back in the archives to see if we've done app more inth it was about 13 minutes long all about the

fox 36 grip X damper but it was like a package right package de cuz we didn't

really do like a full-on video on that fork when it came out maybe I don't know maybe not three years ago when the

curved Arch came out maybe I think we just did like a overview right but yeah never like a full-on review and it was a

relatively unique product right yeah it is for the fox 36 I guess relatively unique and new but I love it it's really

good it's honestly was kind of hard for me to do because it like works so good we're like how do I describe how well it works yeah you know but I think you

covered a lot of stuff that people who were just interested and potentially going to spend you know well over $1,000

on that fork want to hear about which is every little tiny detail and even you broke down the whole service and

reliability and all that sort of stuff and I thought that was pretty cool thanks so I tried to offer some offer some value to people you know that are

interested in the product you know I mean I buy things on the interwebs and I love when there is in-depth detailed

videos about the product so I can learn all about it before I buy it um hence why we do a lot of YouTube videos and

things like that ourselves but I like that so I'm sure people appreciate it awesome thank you appreciate that Liam

I'm sure you've already watched it learned a bunch of new things about Fox that you didn't know about so you don't even have to say anything I appreciate

that already yeah I'm a part of the QC process so I do watch it round of Q I

know I watch it with a detailed microscope comb yes you go through it

with a fine tooth comb yes that's what I meant to say yeah yeahh that reminds me of super Space Balls you seen that movie

when they're going through the desert with the comb and they're like where need to go through the desert with the fine tooth comb there's like a bunch of guys with the huge

comb oh I need to watch that remember oh man that's a classic one well tell us about the race I mean I

know that you told us about it but tell the collective podcast yeah so so we mentioned it quite a few times on the

podcast and how this all transpired and uh pretty much everyone knows that there was a epic hurricane out East Hurricane

Helen and one of the awesome sort of outdoor mountain bike focused towns out

there Old Fort North Carolina got damaged really bad and a couple of the a

couple of the race organizations cuz it was tanwa Adventures I think is how you say it and then pisga Productions so

tanwa does more trail running events p pisga production does more mountain biking events they collaborated to put

together a 24-hour fundraiser race where there was running and mountain biking and you could do 6 12 or 24 hours um and

what was really funny is I was apparently the only person who emailed the race directors and said can I do 12 of each because no one else did that and

it was hilarious being on course because everybody out there running I was so out of my league it was just all Ultra

Runners no joke every person I talked to was like oh yeah I did this 100 I did Leadville I'm like this is the longest

I've ever run in my life today right now no well at one time right because

you've you've probably done like collectively during an adventure race right or maybe yeah yeah but not not

like one straight 45 mile run hadd never done that before so that was technically my quote unquote longest run s and

you're you're pretty much running this time where Adventure Race you're a little bit more you're just on and off

yeah exactly yeah um so it was it was pretty cool and all the runners were like you're you're going to ride bikes

today that's crazy you know and then everyone on the mountain bike side's like you ran today running sucks man why

would you do that so it was it was a pretty interesting split uh there was

like how many people were out there start or was it more than that to

start I'd say close to 100 on each yeah that's I can't remember participants I

don't know the number but so every every participant essentially got their own donation page on run signup and your

donation page uh that the funds that you donate people donate there go directly to the Old Fort strong fund which they

did a really good job of explaining and talking about how it's going to be distributed and how it's going to help the community and yeah really impressive

just effort between all of these people that live out there that wanted to help the town and raise money and do it in a

really fun unique way and uh yeah so I know a lot of people listen to this podcast donated on my page thank you

very much I was the third highest donator and the did hold third spot huh

I I was I was in a fierce competition with uh someone who shall remain

nameless uh I don't even know this this lady but she was going back and forth with me donating more and I kept going I

got to I got to find more rich friends to text right now and ask for donations but I was the third highest donator I

raised just over $10,000 and uh yeah awesome that was cool I know I was I was super proud of

that and obviously the um good customer of ours Craig him and Nikas which we met

when we went out there stayed in their airbnbs those that's how we heard about this whole thing Craig bought some bird

hawk 27 Wheels to raffle off at the event and used $1,000 shipping and

$1,000 I put right back into my donation page and they hosted us at their awesome airbnbs they have three of them right

yep they call it hey old friend that's so cool it's like super creative and artsy and Nikas is a really good artist

and man they've made these awesome airbnbs in Old Fort so if you ever want an epic mountain bike vacation can't

recommend them enough they were super nice to us and hosted us and we stay at their place and yeah

and just more on that is uh Old Fort North Carolina is on the

edge of the Pisa National Forest where Pisa riding is awesome and you can ride

kitsuma trail from the Airbnb that's so you ride a lot of stuff but like kitsuma Trail is pretty well known in uh pisga

as a you know Trail K Creek has a shock name after it so yeah you know it's pretty good um you can ride that from

the door there's a sick like basically bike path to almost the top of it no way

yeah and then you can rip down kitsuma right back into town that's so rad yeah yeah and they have that I was looking up

the name Mountain toop shuttles they can also just drive you to the top which is what we did we took this awesome local

shuttle service right to the top and just basically did the just the downhill that's so epic I pedal it the day after

you did it after yeah after the 24-hour race I pedal it it's the kind of stuff I wish we had out here so bad give me a

shuttle what's crazy so um shout out to G5 Trail Collective which I think they

um they're sort of powered by Camp Greer which was where this whole event was hosted and they're the ones building a lot of the trail out there it is amazing

how well organized I don't know I can't think of a single other state that's as well organized and productive at Trail

building than North Carolina it's incredible every time I've ever been out there they're building new trails it's like they just all done so well I don't

know how it's so possible it's very impressive the whole Community is behind it yeah it's like everyone in the state

just cares and is okay with it so cool smaller Zone but like Squamish and maybe

BC as a yeah some spots in Canada are impressive with that most well-known

riding spots in the world of course it's going to be awesome right but like yeah North Carolina is on it with that stuff

wow yeah it's really cool still haven't been riding out there got to go you got to go it's actually easier to get there now than it used to be because now

there's a Burbank to Dallas Dallas to Asheville oh that used to not exist when I went out there before I used to always

have to go la to Charlotte and then Charlotte to Asheville which is way longer in LA but now it's Burbank Dallas

Dallas Asheville so like sweet it's actually pretty easy to get there wow so yeah and Old Fort is what 45 minutes

from the Asheville Airport yeah rightside Ash yeah 45 an hour sick it

was awesome that was that was such a fun event and I uh my what was my original goal was 40 on foot and then 60 on the

bike um I I set that goal before I knew about the train or

elevation and and then once once they released the the GPX file of the courses

I thought oh that's going to be really hard uh so I kind of knew that going

into it and figured out what paces I would need to keep to pull that off and I ended up feeling really good on the run so I went for uh 45 on the Run um I

should have I should have stopped because I you know every mile past that many miles you get pretty tired so I did

I did 45 on the Run um transition to bike and then did 55 on the bike so I

got just over 100 miles exactly in 23 hours 59 minutes and 57 seconds when I

stopped the Garmin I was like well stayed on course of 24 hours got 100 miles that's it you crushed it so it was

it was awesome man I don't I think mentally help but I think physically Taylor being out there for the last

three laps yeah that was nice well but I don't think it helped cuz your pace went up a little bit Yeah mile yeah true what

would that been like 30 came out for the last 12 miles last 12 miles wow so yeah

from mile too fast 34 or 36 no 32 he ran

like negative split almost from all day there was also people out there that I

mean the the first a lot of people sign up for the 6 hour and more obviously more people sign up for the six and the

12 than the 24 cuz they're smart um but I a lot of those people that were doing

the six and the 12 you know were were pushing themselves really hard past the 6 hour it was all pretty hardcore

Runners and everyone was going fast it's like you just feel like oh run this pace with these people or like someone's

behind me I'll just keep running faster so they don't have to pass me it's like I'm going too fast yeah it did become a

ghost town I'd say even after six hours it was like whoa everyone left it was a

ghost town kind demoralizing 12 hours everyone yeah 12 hours was like are people still RAC and like every

once in a while you see light come by yeah that's still a long time hours long

it was also fundraiser event you know people are out there for fun they're not out there to kill themselves so I think a lot of people got to midnight 1:00

a.m. and they're like n I'm going to sleep for 4 hours and maybe do a lap in the morning um those two people I wish I

knew their names yeah those two Runners there was a guy and a girl yeah they did 100 miles they did 100 miles which meant

they stay Stayed on the same Pace that Jeff was on for the following 12 hours yeah huh yeah

wow crazy they crushed actually slightly faster because you did 44 faster than my

in 12 and they would have done 50 and 12 and 50 the second 12 those were like the real deal Runners with like the the

thigh tattoos you know the short shorts and the scuffy I love that one dude he he came by on his last lap starting his

last lap and Jeff's about to go on his last lap too and he comes around and I was like Hey man nice job man you know

like great work it's like sun was coming up right starting to get light out it's 7:00 a.m. or whatever and and he comes

by and he responds back to me and goes no English just incomprehensible

gone yeah but still moving in the same PA he was moving but English not there

amazing yeah it was it was wild to see like you know you read or hear about ultr Runners but you never see him at

you know mile 96 and get to talk to him at that I remember when we did um when Trevor and I went out to Utah uh St

George were doing like the 100 miles of uh Zion or whatever or St and we saw

similar thing people just like thousand yards there just like yeah it's crazy

halfway through this thing and I'm like that looks so gnarly you remember when we didada yeah that's right they were

finishing the Moab 240 we saw a couple Runners and it actually that was the first year we didn't see him but that

was the first year goggin did it yeah wow and he like a two day right or two

or three days race at least depends on I mean those guys did 100 miles in 24 hours in 24 hours it has to be 2 days

would be ripping fast not really I bet you were so excited to see the bike and just get on it you like I'm over it felt

really good to get on the bike oh my God but he did come back first lap bike and goes that is hard wow it was 8 and half

miles per Loop and it was about I think 1300 ft of elevation if you have 1,000 ft per 10

miles that's pretty like you know standard that's a that's a hilly ride yeah yeah this was like

1228 so yeah ended up being just over 16,000 ft total for the run and the ride

wow um yeah it was it was just there was steep climbs in that in that bike route

and so like the first two laps felt really good and then and Nikas was was amped and he's like oh ride the first

couple laps he was like sweet this will be fun and then then he's like all right well I'm going to bed now 1:00 a.m. and

then it it just got demoralizing because I'd go out there to do these Loops that take about you know hour hour 15 or so

in the dark and just by myself and there's like no one else out there like you would every third lap I would see

like one guy like oh what's up like off in the distance people Mount six 24-hour mountain bikers

that did the full 24-hour and like they didn't just like sleep all night and then do one in the morning do you know

how far they rode probably similar to 100 I guess that's just crazy too it's like similar rate too between their R

right cuz the Run course the laps were 4 miles and yeah it was actually similar cuz the Run course was 4 miles and it

was like 550 or 600t of elevation that's still a lot too it was a lot yeah dude

it's steep out there wow BGA National Forest it was steep steep terrain I was thinking about that today when or I was

thinking about you on that cuz I was like thinking about your gear ratio and like how much climbing you did cuz I was I did dead cow and to Suicide this

morning and dead C what like it's almost 1,000 ft like just straight up right and it's like what maybe a mile and a half

or 2 miles to the top yeah something like that and I was like thinking about you during that 24-hour race on 11 speed

I know yeah that that why didn't we think of that why didn't you think of that I love

I love 11 speed it's all I need it's the same I've never I've never had I've

never ran out of range but even even all the time I talk about that I'm talking about the rides that I do and now it's

always fine and now I'm not doing these huge epics and that was a big that was a big epic it was a 5 miles in the middle

of the night after running I was like I wish I would have had a 12 speed these Adventure races with the same bike yeah

but adventure racing is it's I don't know the adventure racing is usually never as steep of climbs and if it is as

steep you just walk because you're try like you you really try to avoid zone three in Adventure Race cuz you're out there for multiple days and like you

really don't want to burn those candles but in this race it was like I'm 12 hours the last 12 hours on the bike I'm

like I'm going to try and climb all the stuff and I think 30 Toth would have been better yeah than a bigger range I

think I'm not positive on this I have to look at a graph but I think a 32 would also increase your

anti squat mhm yeah so it actually pedal touch better yeah I mean I definitely

should have ran smaller gearing for that course because it was there was just such steep climbs it wasn't super techy

but it was just really steep just a lot of elevation it really fun course but couple there yeah yeah that did the

whole thing couple I think one or two did the whole thing and then G uh wodsworth who wres for Revel did the

12h hour and he won the 12 hour single speed yeah that's so brutal yeah that

would that course would have been super brutal on a single speed that's absolutely Savage yeah I mean I could imagine also throwing any sort of

technical element into the climb like oh my God you'll cook yourself trying to get some sort of so when he was going

out in the morning it was peanut butter yeah that was actually the course was in way better condition all night and as

soon as the sun came up everything started fall out and becoming peanut butter mud and I was just like this is

brutal and I was times I was pushing my bike up climbs just the last 2 hours of daylight and I was like clawing the mud

out of my tire because it wouldn't spin I was just like this is nuts I didn't even think about that I was like all that dirt was just frozen cuz it was you

know December North Carolina certainly wasn't a warm Race by any means 28 deges that night yeah oh my God yeah people

were really struggling at night with with moisture and heat management I remember a lot of the runners too at

night cuz you had such steep climbs and you would get all hot and if you weren't really really careful and you if you got

any sweat saturated and you didn't have the right Fabrics or too much sweat then by the time you started doing the descending into the Canyons that were

way colder your sweat would just freeze you so like you really had to be smart about knowing how much you're sweating

knowing how much effort you're putting in and what Fabrics you had on and then unzipping stuff taking layers off putting layers back on quickly and

efficiently cuz you can really mess stuff up if you screw that up yeah it's probably colder in some of those Canyons where the water was 28 so it was 28 at

the car where I was hanging out all night yeah wow and I was freezing my balls off

yeah shout out shout out to Willie who who was my pit crew did a great job you

got lucky the bike didn't I honestly didn't do that much if I'm being honest I was there helping him out a little bit

and you know but that was about it the pictures of your bike were pretty awesome that Liam took mud took some

good photos yeah yeah bike ran flawless I mean it got caked in mud just literally the last 2 hours of the race

but the whole prior to that it was like it was perfect condition so bike bike held up just fine I just realized I

should have more gear range if I'm going to do something like that yeah my legs were just jell I was just like I can't

climb anymore I'm just bonking out it was so steep that's amazing yeah what a

what a cool race thank you again for everyone listening that that donated I really appreciate it and uh the whole

town of Old Fort appreciates it so that fun raised I think almost a million dollars maybe it went over a million I haven't checked Wow since the race but

it was at like 950,000 during the race so um it's a good cause Community it's a

really good cause yeah and just awesome so I was pumped what a fun time it just it just was inspiring like everyone was

in such a good mood and it was it to me that was the definition of a cool event it's like this raises money for people

who need it everyone's having fun everyone's pushing themselves like people from all over the world donated to every different person who was

participating and I was like this is just a cool idea like everything about this is great so that was fun and I

think that that showed during the event and the people there so a station was incredible also shout out to everyone

running that a station cuz I'm from adventure racing there's no a station it's fully self-supported 100% this a

station was incredible I was like there's four people there at all times you'd walk up they're like you want

scratch or you want water and then they're like oh yeah uh we're going to have bacon later they always had chicken

broth with noodles and they they had coffee hot coffee they like all these

snacks this is in every lap I couldn't believe it dude I was like this is so crazy for whatever my adventur brain was

like I had all my calories planned out everything figured out I was like I got all this fully self-supported and I was

like I don't need to do anything I got look at these people here cooking me bacon every lap that's amazing it was

cool yeah that was a well done event so super cool good times I would maybe do

it again you would maybe do it again I would do it again if there was if there was another good reason to do it again

hopefully not no I I had fun I I definitely enjoyed it it it was cool doing that um yeah it was a challenge

but it was a really really fun time that's awesome yeah well thank you for telling us the story cuz like you know

like I said you told us but not everybody not everybody got to hear about it podcast yeah and I mean I again

I wanted people who who donated to to know that I went out there and gave it my all yeah yeah it was it was hard I

was in a full-blown panic the last hour cuz I was like looking at my watch the mud was getting thicker and sticky year

and I'm like I'm not going to hit the 100 miles which is a totally arbitrary goal like all the donations had already

been made everything had already been done like I didn't need that but I just I was my head I was like I what I said I

was going to do 100 I was going to try and do 100 yeah you have to and I'm like so close to it and I was running up the hills with mud clogging the rear tire

like looking at the watch oh my God I'm not going to make it and I was just in a Mad Dash at the end to try and get that

and barely made it so do you think any other Tire combination would have fared any better like no no it's just that

type of mud it's just peanut butter like yeah just you're screwed no matter what I didn't even know what freeze thaw was have you heard that term I mean I've

heard it I've never experienced it yeah me neither everyone's like oh freeze th like whatever I heard I heard the

mountain biker saying that in the morning on like first first and second lap uh of like the beginning of the

event they're like ohe there when there was like all right whatever that means and then I went out and took photos of

the of the Run course in that downhill was getting Slippery People falling and stuff down there slipping I didn't see

anyone fall it just got super slippery cuz it it felt like a really tractiony mud and then all of a sudden it felt

like slippery mud just because the moisture in the dirt was thawing out that's free thaw

fre make sense I new every day coming from soak out race out north literally

think ice cream take it out of the freezer and try to do something on that

turn that into mud wow yeah it's like I've ridden East a million times but not

in in the winter that was the big difference like i' never been out there to ride in the winter where all the moisture and the dirt froze but geez

anyways all right let's take a quick brief moment for an awesome sponsor

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our sponsors Jeff again you guys all got a good funny ad last podcast so this

time I'm just going to give you a real one and say thank you 2024 was a crazy

tumultuous and to be honest just really bad year for the bicycle industry and worldwide Cyclery struggled through it

and survived somehow thank you to all of you who supported us and especially thank you to those who supported our

other brands Kettle Mountain apparel and Trail one components your guys' support listenership and purchases make us happy

and survive and uh yeah we love it I don't know what else to say thank you and have a good New Year and now back to

the show what is your favorite this is not listener questions yet though just topic Jeff what is your favorite bike

product and or bike and non-bike product of the Year well I'll say my favorite

bike product of the Year mhm you know I didn't really prepare for this that's okay that's why we we love spontaneity

what is your favorite well off the cuff just because you said bike I'm going to say say that Yeti ASR yeah that was that

was the first time I wrote it was in 2024 this year and I was just whoa

that's an awesome bike I really like this bike it's a great bike it's a fun bike I realize why people love that bike why Yeti made that bike it came out this

year yeah it came out this year so no one wrote it in 2023 sweet said maybe Yeti

but uh so that was that was my first bike related thing that pops straight into my head very reasonable Choice mhm

yeah non-bike product yeah could be your oh man could be your

little piece of tech that you got my iPad Mini 7 generation with the A7 processor God everybody was making fun

of me about today I would be dude iPad mini is a great device ah favorite non-bike I don't know

I got I got to think that one Circle back we'll do all of our bike products and then you go um mine's also the ASR

you should ask me first now I'm coughing Jeff but I've actually had it longer than Jeff and

I've had two of them so yeah your your bike inspired me to do it yeah yeah so that is true your bike was really cool

yeah when you when you were riding that bike and training for downeyville and I was looking at your Garmin data and I was like man he's just out there ripping

these fast paces and these big rides I like that bike's sick I got to get one of those so we're going to narrow this down even more which ASR it was my

second one okay your second the first one was awesome go through multiple ones well cuz you know

how I had the first one with fly attendant sold that one built up a new one with fox and a little bit more

simple and I love the I loved it I was riding it yesterday yesterday yesterday

I was like dude this bike rips love it but yeah it's cool I mean I I think a

lot of the bike industry I built a new bike but a lot of the bike industry in many ways is sort of plateaued out in

terms of tech and just capability but that that was one bike that you know the

little refinements it just pushed the limits of how fast and light a bike could be but yet how capable it still

could be like it's fast and light XC bike but it actually can ride rough trails and train and feel good and feel

proper cornering and jumping and stuff so that that was rare and unique and something that B that bike brought to

the table this year that didn't exist before it did not sacrifice the fun factor which is cool yeah yeah yeah true

yeah XC with fun so that was my favorite bike product of the year I believe

yeah that's pretty cool what's yours J rad you know man um in light of the

video that just came out today I'm going to go with my fox 3 six gripex gripex

because it suits the bike so well cuz watch the video watch the video you know

but yeah I really do love it I feel like there it's a fork that has no compromises for whatever reason you know

like I can crush a bunch of miles I can blast down garly trails and it's super fun

so I don't know very nice like aside from that I would probably go with my Yeti if I was going to pick like a bike

you know you had one of those in 2023 but I had one before just like you well

just like how you had ASR and get another one but it's different but but it came out same but different came out

24 I had both of them in 24 I never had one in

23 I don't make other rules dude I mean there's no rules posted but I'm making them up currently but I don't also don't

make them up yeah I know it's but you already have one so it's there're a bunch of bike nerds here it's okay we

understand all right non-bike product couldn't think of it you're still racking your brain I've got a few

I could of really think of one either it's kind of hard what about like your Mac Mini or something you know n doesn't

really get you going no no Tech has really like genuinely inspired me this year at least what about like a fun like

adventure racing product or you know piece of your kit that you just like can't live without that USU pack that

that is a nice pack they've made some good stuff this year actually had two packs from them this year the one I used

for the Adventure Race was was pretty clutch and amazing um man I don't know you know

that's one of my favorite bike products coming out blogs we're just a little behind the curve yeah come out blogs of

our favorite bike products that's one of mine you I hate to say it but the two

two products that I loved and used all year um are two Kettle prototype pants

two different two different pairs NE one one will be well two will be released

next year we we're basically we have a we're calling it the Alpine pant which is a very outdoor specific Adventure

Race focused pant and it's been amazing the Prototype and I've been wearing it for 2 years now and testing it and it's

finally come to production in 25 and then the other one is well so that same fabric will be in a mountain bike

specific pant as well cut and tailored with pockets specifically to mountain biking people been asking for forever

yes uh but then the other one was the uh so the vent pants which are kettle's

super lightweight pants that's very ventilated there's a new fabric that we were testing to make sort of a run

addition of that pant so very similar looking fabric breathable that's what I ran the 45 miles in oh it's just so

lightweight that you can just run in the thing effortlessly and it's super flexible but breathable still well way

breathable yeah like the air blows right through it in North Carolina in that cold weather I wore uh I wore a uh what

do you call freaking things thermal underneath it really mhm wow so it's

basically the new Kettle boxers but we made we're making some that are ankle length too I wore those underneath those

so like multiple prototype Kettle products that nobody can buy until sometime in

2025 hopefully well that's cool that's those are some like highlights that I could think I was like always wanting to

grab and use those this year of cool products that's very cool it's fun getting to make your own stuff when

you're a massive gear nerd too attentive to all details I bet so what do you got some cat toy you got a cat toy I was

actually going to choose my Fuji xt1 oh cuz I actually bought it in like

it was like right at the beginning of the year more meaning than the wedding ring that you got this year oh come on

man it's not his favorite prod throwing me under the bus it's not his favorite product it just sits all right yeah the

food I'm talking you've been busting out some good photos this year thank you busting um straight busting what does

that mean buting dude cap appropriate I don't know what that means yeah it's relatively appropriate appropriate it's

like oh man that that Garmin watch is busting yeah exactly it's a term I'll

never use but yeah I know I love how um I mean it doesn't it doesn't have like the you know major like huge megapixel

counts that these new cameras have and stuff it doesn't have 4K video but takes nice photos and uh and I got it used for

a nice little discount and it's great I love it yeah nice you know my first nice

camera that I bought myself yeah that's cool otherwise they're all just like hand-me-downs or like you know using somebody else's C is that what you used

to shoot the video of the trail one Sage pedals recently yeah see you know it's

funny you say it doesn't have 4K video but the video that comes out of that and the photos that come out of that are 100x better than any cell phone could

ever take iPhone could ever take yeah hot take dude hot take it's true remember couple years ago true oh yeah I

phone can hang with any camera out there dude my Android phone has a potato of a

cema no but I agree I mean you can I can't imagine what it's like to be a politician and have the media

misinterpret all the shenanigans that you ever anything you ever say like just have just having you know a couple dozen

people doing it to me is annoying enough let alone thousands of people it's like YouTube I mean you post a video and then

you got you got million critics right there yeah you know that's true like when I when the comment on the fox 36

video oh 2025 epis old 26 is just around the corner come on dude just around the

corner in eight months bro why you got to do me like that man we've been working hard on

this well this is when all longterm needs DM this is when all long-term reviews are coming out right I mean

longterm yeah it's a long-term review it's not a product Rel what do you expect my guy so I appreciate you

watching the video maybe you did maybe you didn't but come on yeah what's your favorite product yeah come on man uh I don't what I'm picking is kind of a

combination but I'm going to say my van as a whole okay yeahwe drove it to Colorado we drove it to Colorado I spent

42 nights in the van this summer really this year yeah how do you know that so specifically I added them all up it's

pretty good yeah it's a great 40 42 nights in the van uh put 20,000 miles on

it cuz you did a couple of those races where you drove it out there a few yeah up to downeyville right Moab downeyville

bfield San Diego build a nice vanan and actually use it you're not like you're not like those people who buy Monteray

yeah we drove it up to Santa Cruz right uh went to Rampage yeah yeah you took it all over took it all over it's all about

um I did the build out myself so it's my fourth van that I've owned and like

fifth build that I've done something like that well you did somebody else's I did one twice oh yeah redid it classic

van thing huh yeah exactly um yeah I don't know it just is pretty perfect for my use usage now it's nothing too fancy

but it's got everything I need I got a sink that runs off of foot pump I've got solar I've got uh a fridge um I've got a

place to lock bikes up inside and I have a full size bed like you know a full like the the size full mattress um

perfect dieso gets good mileage and yeah so pretty stoked on that it's amazing

yeah it works for bikes but also not bikes yeah no it's not bike specific no

it's life spe transic life specific it's for your whole life man you can do whatever it's not bike

specific it's life specific thanks I just came up with that straight up straight up no AI

involved well all right man listener questions all right I'll jump into this first one I'd love to hear you all

completely nerd out on different kinds of Lube sort of like you do for tires for hours on end I know in past episodes

you mentioned that you're a fan of Squirt lube for dry climates I also live in a super dry area during of Colorado and I think that I need one of the

driest Lubes available after most in town rides my legs are usually caked in dust from all the powdery soil I've used

rock and roll gold lube for stram Drive trains for years and I think it's only just okay and barely last three and a half hours but my wife's Shimano

equipped bike needs something way lighter otherwise the lube doesn't penetrate the rollers but unfortunately it quickly becomes a gunked up nasty

mess anyway I'm thinking about trying squirt based on your recommendations but my local bike shop said to try dant Tech

Oil Pro X anyway I think this is a good topic but really I just want to hear you guys debate and argue with one

another fair enough well the argument is not going to be much cuz we all use

Squirt well let me tell you Liam I haven't really used squirt at all since started waxing the chain oh

because I just oh Big Chain waxer guy now just swap it for the fresh chain wax seems like being a vegan you know do it

you just got to tell everyone about it you know you're hardcore on it and everyone should try it you just reminded

me that that's actually what I was going to say for my bike product Oh was waxing chains dude you forgot about what kind

of chain waxer are you forgot I know I should have told everybody but honestly my drivetrain has been so clean like I

will tell everybody about it right now and I haven't had to clean it at all like I do it as a formality right like

when I take but like the drivetrain I last whoever how months we've been doing this has been spotless the bike shifts

great like I'm I still Tau mine off with squirt for the mountain bike and the Sila brand and stuff for the road bike

yeah um when I do wax it but yeah I mean uh deont I think is better than

rock and roll gold I remember rock and roll gold being extremely light like he said he needs something way lighter I

think rock and roll Gold's the lightest of the rock and roll that Finish Line dry lube is super light too yeah yeah it

is but if it's just it doesn't last for anything in the dry climates like yeah it's it's a combination for people most

some people only ride 10 15 miles at a time yeah but like that's common but at the same time like if you only riding 10

or 15 miles at a time you can do Squirt and only put it on every three to four

rides yeah you know yeah like as long as you're putting on the struggles with Shimano chains have you ever used it on

Shimano chains what Shimano yeah exactly no um no it great it works great for all

the chains like um it's a wax so you know it's going to penetrate it's going to dry the main thing is though you got

to put it on and you got to let it dry yeah I mean that's kind of like all Lo a lot of people don't really do that with

oil loes but oil is always going to attract dirt yeah like that's that's the nature of oil and you have to let it dry

for it to work properly yeah um but no one really lets it dry that's the one thing about scir it doesn't work really

at all if you put it on and ride um put on when you finish your ride three

little wipes of your chain I mean you got to start with a really good degre chain put on a couple coats but after

that it's like couple little backpedals take the initial dirt off put on a good

coat once you're finished with your ride go off do your thing that's time you come in your bike it's good to go MH um

I don't know I haven't really found anything that's as cheap as Square works as good as squirt and lasts as long as

squirt what about the mck off dry loop I was literally just thinking about the moff it's I don't think it doesn't work

as good I age that but you don't have to I thought it was wax you don't let it dry think I think it's oil I think it

was the top selling chain lube though it is it it's pretty solid but it does Gunk up like I mean I'm just going to say

everything I've used other than that dunks up yeah yeah um yeah I mean the

ceramic speed stuff's really nice and baller but like it's baller it's expensive it's like more than squirt and

I don't think it lasts as long yeah I use on a race day you know when I'm racing downeyville but like that's a

race day Lube um the Sila stuff works pretty well but I think it's a little bit more of like a road application

doesn't seem as like durable in as well so yeah for me the squirt hits all the

what is it you can't have something that's cheap durable and light or something like that like yeah this one's

you know cheap durable and greasy greasy non- greasy non greasy

yeah I don't know yeah that's the old famous uh well I guess it's been credited to him I don't know if that's

he really said it Keith Bond Trager can't it was cheap durable and light

pick two yeah which is when you think about it in the bike world it's so true

yeah yeah I don't know I mean that's that's I love the chain wax I don't know

yeah squirt squirt we got time for that squirts my choice it's not that bad it's

really not coming from CL me up it's not that bad it's not it's not horrible no

and if you if you have like one bike in one chain okay it's a process but when

we do it we have I'll just line up three of our bikes four of our bikes and we just turn on the machine we're working

we just drop it in there agitate it go back to work pull them out throw in the next one agitate it you know like it

when you when you line them up like bring all your friends over have a degree party and a chain waxing party drink a couple beers yeah there you go

now we're talking about a good time yeah do that every few weeks here's what I do is I have two chains that are the same

length Two Chains two chains but I by Wax them both so I just swap them out

when one gets you know run out and then I only have to do them every other time

right instead of having to oh I got to do my chain again like I just throw the new one on you know and I so I probably do it every other month maybe

yeah that's reasonable yeah I mean I wax your I don't know man I don't have much

of a dog in this fight cuz I don't really work on my bike so much anymore I I watchx at you I watch Jeff chains every time I

turn on that machine I I used to be way more nerded out into this until uh I had

a pile of other bigger problems and then also people who could help me work on my own bike so that's fair enough things

have changed that's fair enough things have changed for me in terms of the lubrication Department we talked about Lube a long time I've also been using

squirts uh shammy cream Shamy Shamy that's an interesting crossover I was

not expecting seriously yeah I don't want to squirt really crazy synthetic ingredients for your bike and here's

some other ingredients that hopefully won't harm your skin no I think it's good it probably is yeah I mean they're

good product developers I'm sure it's good but it's like a shammy butter came out with like a unsalted butter for like you know food and be like Oh shammy

butter on my toast no wrong one next next question yep all right on the last

podcast you guys talked about reach and sizing my question is if I have a 470 reach on my full suspension would that be the same for a hard tail pretty much

yeah yeah it would but it would be totally different on a gravel bike yeah right

gravel and road is just like a whole new ball game H Str I don't

even so full suspension or hard tail if you're just talking about mountain bikes or mountain bikes it would be the same but with a similar cockpit setup like

it's going to be the same yeah but you go to road with narrower bars longer stem and I don't even know the numbers

that right in the road bike I read a 54 or they're all weird like a Cutthroat right like where do you go there that's

the thing about the Cutthroat though that's so unique the Cutthroat is mountain bike sizing so the reach

numbers basically make sense just like they would on a hard tail but then you look at any other gravel bike or any

other bike at all with drop bars and it's completely different than the way they measure mountain bikes and the way they work weird y yeah that's why the

cut throw is so cool because you can put flat bars on it and it basically just works like a rigid mountain bike kind of

want one honestly yeah it's it's it is a very unique and that's why they call it a drop bar mountain bike um it's a very

unique bike in general yeah it's pretty cool yeah which is cool I liked that bike too you crack kind of miss that

bike yeah wow who preface yeah it was leaning with the pedal on a rock yeah I

know but people don't not everyone listening knows the bike did not sound bite that and be like Sala CRA sound

bite that yeah seriously they don't Jeff Jeff dropped it on a rock no the wind blew it over whatever I was at the beach

and I did that little thing where I put one p one pedal on a rock and it like stands by itself and I was literally

changing into my board shorts and the wind blew it over and the top tube landed on a rock and cracked it and then

I proceeded to write it for like 200 more miles way more way probably more you wrote it for another year I know you

put like thousand was just on the top tube who cares if the top tube's cracked don't ride your bike if it's cracked on

the top and then I sold it and said I'm selling a bunch of parts that might include a frame in the Box attaching

yeah you know and someone bought it and I don't know if they're right riding it but I told him not to yeah easy rep

right I mean it would have been an easy carbon repair but it just didn't even seem necessary because of where it was yeah well it was a cool bike next

question yeah I'll ask it because I don't have an answer cool who is the best James Bond favorite Bond

villain so I think the best James Bond was oh this is actually kind of tough because Pierce Bron was pretty good

speed it up bud okay the okay the pierce froston with the Z the BMW Z oh my God

eight no I don't even know you know what I'm talking about no I I I watched some of the James Bond as a kid and all I can

remember about James Bond are two things one the smoking hot women yeah that's pretty much why I watch those videos as

a teenage boy and uh playing James Bond on N64 say golden eye golden eye playing

golden eye on it was N64 or was it PS I I think I had PS2 I think playing

playing golden eye on PS2 is like the most of what I remember from any Bond movie so yeah level I don't dog in this

fight the the level the ship feel like a casino I don't know maybe

remember also when I think of bond villains I think of this guy the huge

guy with the crazy teeth Jaws is his name but he's from the 70s most people

probably don't know the spy who loved me anyways what who's your favorite Bond villain do you know you didn't really

know no I don't know okay well I guess that that's what I said the only thing I remember is playing on N64 and the women

in the movies that's that's all I got I left it in there cuz I actually assumed you guys would have great answers and I

was like I have no answer but yeah well this guy is the crazy two out of three maybe so

anyways uh what up was up up I'm fortunate enough to have two Wheel sets

for my bike however I'm not baller enough to have two bikes the main set is a getting there though yeah right that's

a good start the main set is a fancy carbon with glorious silent hubs for everyday riding and has faster Rolling

Tires my secondary set is luminum noxiously loud hubs Double Down tires and is used mainly for the bike park

days my question is should each wheel set have its own rotor cassette brake pads Etc or should I be swapping those

back and forth I'm lazy and want minimal time working on the bike but I do want Max shifting and breaking capability so I mean I think we can all

agree that he should have at least his own rotor rotors and cassettes assuming

that everything matches and it's the same and then The Brak pads can just be the same don't don't have to swap those

out yeah like if you can I would say rotors they're cheaper usually than cassettes rotors are nice because like

swapping Six B rotors takes some time yeah cassettes are pretty expensive um you know if you're looking

at that and he's talking about not being baller enough to have two bikes well cassettes are like $500 or something

like that yeah but you could put like a GX cassette on your bike park one that's true but they are easier to swap too one

basically one bolt you have one bolt and you swap it I I would try to do two sets

of rotors one for each wheel break them in pretty similarly to the brake pads and it's usually pretty good I mean all

right we're talking maybe 95% braking per Perfection versus like 100 if you really want to be hardcore ex yeah use

different brake pads but that's that's you know he's talking about also minimizing work bike work time as long

as they're the same rotors and then you're and if you could do two cassettes like Jared say get a GX for the bike park days um is not going to be you know

not going to any different who cares right um on I've done in tour I just have to swap cassettes but I have two

rotors yeah and if you have Center lock it's not a big deal that's actually how my my new ones is I have one cassette

two rotors wow yeah you know it is kind of fancy is if you had like the same Hub

and you could just pop the whole free hub off and everything oh I didn't do that ratchet my last road gravel bike I

had the same exact HBS with same exact rotor so I could just pop them in and out because adjusting flat mounts like G

bike industry I gives me the he I hate flat mount bike industry you guys screwed up well just hope that doesn't

end up on mountain bikes it's only stuck on road and gravel like one mountain bike put it on there and like everyone

flipped out one XC bike and everyone flipped their why why cuz it's lighter

stupid it's lighter stupid I'm smaller it's heavier you're going to

have to pay me more if I have to adjust more of those things dud on your bikes especially

love it Jeff gets a bike with flat Mount dude here's my here's my increase yeah I

I did I think it was that open up gravel bike that I had ages ago at the Pennsylvania store and I built it myself

and I remember messing with those flat mounts and thinking God this is awful and the open ones aren't even that bad at least on the floor they are better

yeah it's not that bad than some but like oh my God trying to adjust like the rear is the yeah I remember yeah oh

let's get back to something a little more refreshing like rear shocks that I'm looking to upgrade the rear shock on

my 2023 specialized turbo Leo SL Gen 2 I focus on Black Diamond riding with

medium to large jumps and drops I'm looking to increase progressivity and Poppy performance like my Yeti S65 with

Fox dhx2 more specific do I need the Cascade link for this upgrade or will a progressive coil alone Be adequate what

do you recommend olens vers push versus DX versus Storia versus question mark FYI it will oh the bike already has a

fox 38 Fork if that impacts recommendations that's a good question

um he's it kind of sounds like he's already saying he has a coil on the rear he doesn't really say that uh I don't

think he has one but he wants a coil I would not go with a coil right if he is looking to increase progressivity

andness like the the ebikes are do be so stuck to the ground you don't need the

coil to be stuck to the ground um honestly I'm super imp if you're talking air shocks I'm I'm super impressed with

with floex I was going to say floex is the easiest to set up mhm you can make it Progressive it lasts longer x2s are

great but they're harder to set up and they typically don't last as long floex is like it just is plus too works really

well for that and the Cascade will kind of help you add more progression but it might not make it poppy like if you did

a Cascade with a coil you're actually going to probably make it less poppy because you're going to have a higher

leverage ratio yeah you're going to high higher leverage ratio way soft off the top M and then lot of ramp at the bottom

but like the coil mix with a higher leverage ratio is going to be so soft off the top mhm like doing the combo

will like almost make it less Poppy and you know yeah you'll get Pro progressivity at the end of the travel

but not the beginning like kind of maybe where you want it yetis just tend to be a little bit more firm off the top than

a lot of bikes so he probably already has a floex on there yeah you might you

might honestly right and just add a volume spacer in there yeah um you know mess with that sounds like a question

from a gentleman who's going to try some different shocks anyway because he thinks it's fun yeah in that case uh we

sell EXT Go with the EXT cuz it's the most expensive yeah or get the most expensive one or the push uh EXT EXT

honly changing rear shocks is fun actually I do even if it makes the bike not what you wanted it's still so

different it feels like a new bike when you change the suspension fun to do really enjoyed my time on the push sv8

this year yeah um I think is cool I put out a full review to I don't even know if we ever talked about that couple

maybe a month or two ago yeah um that shock's really good it's technically the

cheaper sibling of the push shocks but it's more generic it has a hydraulic bottom out um built into it uh it

doesn't have a climb switch just one circuit right inste of two circuits like on the 116 um I love that shock I had it

on my Revel rail 29 and I kept it and I'm going to put it on my Frameworks as well so I have that mixed with a dang

have that and a floex wow on the Frameworks so yeah I'm going to have a floex on my Frameworks and that push shock yeah that's what I would do man

that's what I would do man that's what I would do man I don't know about you hey don't look at me like that man oh we

should maybe tell people what Frameworks is because probably some people he that know and other people don't oh yeah Frameworks is Nik Mal's Bike company

that he started creating his own race bikes out of a want to create his own

bikes because well kind of nothing in the market really satisfied like his needs for like geometry kinematics

Simplicity straight forward race bike um you know and he's not tied to any

suspension designs and patents and all these things that a company might own so he set out with blank slate going to

make the best bike possible he started the downhill bike now he's making endural bike and I'm getting the endural

bike version that should be delivered in roughly one month whoa nice yeah go

Frameworks bikes make sure it's the mountain bike really my style yeah

little too barely too maybe if we went on Whistler trip every year or something

if I'm being honest it's a little too Burly for most of my riding I'm already thinking of like okay Two Wheel sets

going to have a lightwe cell probably right around here most of the time and then like the park wheel set to go Whistler and trips and stuff but yeah

it's also just sick I want to bike that Nico designed in yeah that that part is really cool I know friend of the shops

and all of ours and yeahwe um looking forward to seeing a

swing leg over that maybe I will yeah I'm scar yeah pretty swe I'm stoked for it

I'll have it hopefully in a month and basically have all the parts sitting here oh yeah how are you sleeping at

night just wa I just I just keep building bikes in the meantime just waiting I mean that'll oh that oh got

pushed out a month I guess I'll order a bike today got to do something

problems we have that's that's right well that's it that's all last podcast

of 2024 that might be released in 2025 probably oh yeah hopefully in 2025 yeah

I I had last podcast of 24 and you're listening to it in 25 writing with a friend I guess uh she listens to the

podcast all the time another female listener what do you know I think we're up to like five total that's awesome um

yes remember some female we told you the story oh at the two bikes right stopped by Liam it was after was that the end of

the race I forgot all about stopped by and was all hey we love your podcast and li like and she and she yeah and she

drove away and we were like should have got her name we didn't even know what to say it's one of the five female

listeners yeah shout out to whoever that was in North Carolina shoot us an email so like yeah well yeah we'll we'll send

that that person you have no excuse I would just finished a 24-hour race you should have at least been like thanks dud my watch said I slept an hour and 15

minutes I have a little bit zombie too um yeah send Jared an email if that was

you that's awesome yeah podcast world.com and we'll get you a gift card of oh yeah $15 I think we should do a

shout out section at the end of the show like you know people cuz people come up to you say what's up right to like

Stefan Marcus coffee roters coffee we drinks awesome customer and friend of ours to Enduro Pete who kindly gifted us

this whiskey that we're drinking tonight shout out to the homie I'm met a North Park Beer Company he I think his name

was Jason he gave me a four pack he was like Dude tell Liam and Jeff I said what's up like and I was like no way hey

we didn't get any of that beer dude oh too bad you guys didn't like it anyways um no I never finished what I was saying we're like driving on now she was like

hey you said something in the last podcast like hopefully Jeff still lets you do these and I was like I did and

like she's like yeah are you guys still doing it I'm like yeah we're recording one tomorrow she's like oh okay good I love them I listen to them all the time

I'm was like I don't remember what we even said why we said that and why we might not probably some of your dry

sarcasm when yeah I think I think it dry sarcasm like we messed up a line or something like that we're like I'm aaz

Jeff still lets us do this awesome well yeah that's it thank

you for everything if you're still watching we genuinely appreciate it and we will talk to you guys more in 2025

more MTB podcast coming as usual that's right hope you had a happy holidays yeah

yeah happy holidays love you ciao

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