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Downieville Classic Recap, Bike Setups & More with Special Guest Tydeman Newman... Ep. 159 [Podcast]
Today on the podcast, the guys are joined by our good friend and absolute shredder Tydeman Newman for a full recap of their time up at the Downieville Classic. We also hear from Trevor about his time at the Shed Enduro & Mammoth Village Race, plus we get into some classic listener questions ranging from bike setup to tire choice and more. Tune in!
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 159 of the MTB podcast presented and
hosted by Worldwide Cyclery Ketl Mountain Apparel and Trail One Components. I'm Jared.
I'm Liam. I'm Trevor. And I'm Tydeman. That is right, ladies and gentlemen. In
this episode, we are joined by our good friend Tydeman Newman. and we're going to recap some of the epic rides and races
we've been getting into lately, including these guys time at the Downieville Classic, Trevor's time at the
Shed Enduro, and the Mammoth Village Race. Is am I Yeah. Is that what it was called?
And uh we're going to talk about that before jumping into some classic listener questions, ranging from shops
offering tune-ups to bike Oh, wait. shops offering tune-ups to bike
purchasers to bike modifications for certain conditions and everything in between. That was a little bit of a tongue twister. It
was a Yeah, you're twisted up. Yeah, it was a little twisted up. Totally twisted. Totally twisted. Tidman, uh, tell us a
little bit about yourself real quick before we jump in, how you know these guys, and uh, yeah, how you got into
mountain bikes. Yeah, so my name is Tidman Newman. I'm 23 years old. Uh, born and raised in
Southern California. Been riding and racing mountain bikes about as long as I can remember. That's been, yeah, pretty
much most main thing in my life. As long as I can remember. Love it. Um, I've
been riding around here in this area uh, whole life and kind of met Trevor
through like the peddlers fork crew in Calabasas. uh more specifically like ride and pint, Thursday night ride. And
then got to know Liam through that couple years later and it's just like equal love of going fast, riding bikes,
um having a good time above all else. And then we all like big dumb rides. Yeah, exactly. Like going and thrashing
it on the weekends and having fun, man. It's just Yeah, it's good time. Epic. And you kind of started out doing like
XC racing, right? XC or like cross kind of. Yeah, so I had like full background of XC racing. uh raced all like kind of
first started really racing in uh middle school doing like Nika stuff. Uh worked my way all the way up through high
school with that. Uh went out to Colorado and raced XC at CMU. Um kind of
that was the background and then had some issues with like burnout stuff. Was chasing qualifying for World Cups, crazy
life. Uh realized I love riding my bike just as much as I do racing it. And sometimes that's an really important
thing. So, uh, kind of found my way to where I'm at now. Done a little bit of a
little bit of everything, I'd say. Yeah. I just like all things two wheels. Uh, Titman's fast on two wheels.
Tyman Tyman absolutely rips. Whether it's uphill or downhill, big bikes, little bikes, Titan.
I feel like I always knew Tyman as the like XC kid who could just pedal a bike like a maniac and then went to college
and started doing enduros and started doing well in enduro, too. Um, and just like is all around quick, which is super
cool. making me blush. Yeah. When I was racing XC, I was like 19, 20, 21. Tideman was racing like
probably the what 13 14 class or something. Probably something like that. Uh and I just know he had a pedal sport
for kit and super long hair. Yeah. And just just ripping. Yeah. And just breaking things.
Yeah. Trying to go fast. I didn't know if you're breaking things, but I just know you're going fast.
Yeah. And sometimes I'd depending on what class I'd be, I'd sometimes race Ryan Steers and you're always kind of
like hanging around the pit with Ryan and so Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Good mentors. Yep.
Awesome. Well, we're stoked to have you on the podcast. Stoked to be here. It's a pleasure to hear the olive oil in person.
Oh, baby. Let's go. Well, that brings us perfectly into
Zach's words of wisdom. Do what Lehman Tidman do. If you do what they do, you're going to go fast.
I don't know how much I can back that one up. That that comes from this past
weekend we or week really. We camped together for a whole week and by I think he does it about every week, but by
Sunday night he goes, "Why didn't I just listen to you guys?" I don't know, Zach. I don't know why you
don't. I I watched him lube his chain for the I think the first time ever. It was crazy. Before the race before race day. But he
showed up with nonwax lube and I was like, "Why do you have that?"
He goes, "Trevor gave it to me." And he probably just asked me, "Do you have any spare lube laying around that you guys don't use?"
But I was I was like, "Dude, we use squirt." And he goes, "Well, yeah, but that's not what he gave me." And I was like, "All right, we're washing your
bike today and deg grease the crap out of it cuz you're putting squirt on for." And he put that on his chain. And then he proceeded to put it on his dropper
post, too. And that was the icing on the So at that point he did not do a thing
but I didn't. He really needed me there. That was a theme of the week was like,
"Oh man, Trevor's not here." Oh man, that's so funny. You didn't have any mechanicals though.
You had a good weekend. You're getting good. It's hard. It's harder and harder besides getting like a flat tire or something. It's hard to really get a mechanical if you have some
legit modern components, which is cool. I'm sure we can get into that in a little bit, but like that was a theme of the entire Downyville weekend. I feel
like everybody I talked to was like less flats. Other than our group, it seemed like they seem to have quite a
a few some of them. Yeah. Yeah. A couple issues. Couple. But yeah, we'll get into that. Yeah. They should change the name to
like the Down Evil Carnage Classic or something. I feel like every time you guys have come back in recent years, it's been like broken wheels flash.
A lot of stories always. Yeah. Downville Stories. Absolutely. Um well, that brings us
perfectly to Daniel's fun fact. There is a species of jellyfish that can live forever. Wow. The turtopopsis
do dorn dorn can revert back to its juvenile form after reaching maturity,
essentially skipping death unless eaten or succumbing to disease. Isn't that insane? I did not know that.
Yeah, I actually looked it up before this just to see. And it's true. It's it's it's a fun fact.
It is a fun fact. So, how are there I mean, I guess they just get eaten, right? Like,
how are there not millions and billions of these things? They reproduce and then
yeah, they can still die from disease, right? They're not like immune to these things, but they just have this insane
trait where they can they basically after Yeah. like says reaching maturity, they stepped back to
Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. I mean, it's a jellyfish. There's not a ton going on there. Um kind of just floating around
cruising. Cruising. Yeah. Big cruising. That is absolutely true. Well, speaking of which, we've got a fantastic
testimonial. I am just riding in to say that there are at least two women listening to your podcast. I've heard of
at least one and here I am number two. I'm an engineer and former roadie who has been in and out of bike mechanicing
in the bike industry for over 20 years. My welltocked garage isn't as fancy as what y'all are riding, but we do all
right. My husband and I are both huge nerds and love listening to your podcast. The atmosphere is great, the
topics are great. It keeps me excited to get out and ride. Keep doing what you do. I love hearing about your epics and
scavenger hunts. Thanks so much, Alex in Lafayette, Colorado. Pretty sweet. I can actually confirm. I
know my girlfriend Sophie Ripper Rider, she listens as well and she has turned another female on. So that's cool. Is
that total four now? Five. I think there's there's a few more out there. We're double digits, boys. That is awesome.
Love it. We love to reach out. I want to give a little shout out while while I was in Maryland for the Shed and Duro. I got there's a bunch of people
that actually came up to me and said how much they enjoy listening to the podcast. Um, which was super cool to
hear that in person. It's always kind of a trip to hear that in person, but um, super cool to hear some uh, some good feedback and stuff on the podcasting and
on the East Coast. Yeah, just rad. Crazy. Yeah, it's cool. That is amazing. Awesome. Well, that brings us perfectly
to the bikes and rides we've been enjoying lately. So, Trevor, tell us a little bit more about your time at the shed and what bike
you're riding and how that was. So, yeah, so I went out to the Shed Enduro, which is in Frederick, Maryland.
Um, Trail One, our company is uh was sponsoring the event and we got some friends that are kind of title sponsor
title sponsor. It was the Trail One Shed Enduro. That was very clear and uh which is
which is super cool. So, um, yeah, I got invited out there, went out there with Jeff. Um, Jeff was kind of doing the
social for the race, which was pretty fun. Um, and yeah, so I went out there and was kind of not really knowing what
to expect to be honest. And uh I brought my Druid with a double down tires and um
just like yeah short travel trail bike and get there and it's a it's gnarly rocky enduro. East coast jank.
East coast jank. East coast jank. It's it's a thing and I got to experience it. So I got super lucky with the weather. Um everyone was
saying it was bloody hot out there before like week before like 90° 100 plus humidity just disgusting.
Oh and I've never really experienced that coming from California. It's normally pretty dry here. Um, so yeah, Het was
out there and weather. Yeah, weather was super good. Couldn't have been better. Um, had some cool people to practice
with. Um, guy named Ian who won the race last year. I was pretty much following him around all day on Saturday during
practice day and that was a a blessing cuz otherwise it's really hard to figure out where to go on that jank stuff and
having a local knowledge of someone who goes fast everywhere is like a huge advantage. So that was cool. Um, but
yeah, the race was legit. Bunch of fast guys came out and we were racing full-on
rocky downhill tracks. Who won the pro? Um, what's his name? Uh,
Jack Clark. Okay. Jack No, Jack Brown. Oh, yeah. Jack Brown won. Sick. Nice. And Jack Brown a bunch. Yeah. And to be
fair, I was I was complaining about getting smoked by the locals and stuff. He's not a local
and he smoked everybody. I think he won by like I think there was 20 minutes of racing. I think he won by 45 seconds.
Wow. So he absolutely annihilated everybody. What were the stats like roughly? Um we did about 30 mi of pedaling and
about 5,000 ft of climbing. Oh damn. Um so it was everything pedal, no shuttle. On Saturday practice day we shuttled
like half of it probably maybe a little more than half race days all pedal. Um so yeah it was a it was a big day and
it's hard to recover after some of those enduro stages um because you're just full max effort just absolutely pinned
and then have to just pedal again all day. So just I was eating and drinking a
lot. I pro I went through a full bottle of mix and a full use pack full of water
and probably had like four or five Martin gels and a couple other bars and just eating as much as I could. But that
went well, but I still got smoked. I think I ended up 18th out of like 40 guys in pro. So that was good. But yeah,
still got waxed by the by the by the real fast. Midack miles. Yeah, midpack midpack Phil.
Yeah, that's me. Um, so yeah, that was that was super cool. And yeah, again, like we sponsor a team called the B team
out there and they had a huge presence out there and it was really cool to see like to arrive there and I see a big
worldwide tent and everyone's wearing kettle gear. Everyone has trail one components on their bikes and I'm just
tripping out cuz we I just came off a plane and I'm on the East Coast and there's just all this stuff that I'm so familiar with and work with every day
and it was really cool to see that and everyone's stoked on it. like going to dinner afterwards. Everyone's wearing
kettle like just kind of cool to see that to see the support in in real life
for sure. And everyone like most of them listen to the podcast too like I was saying. So um it was very satisfying.
Formerly FBI Matt put on the race and he also runs a B team. Yes. So exactly. So there's the connection
there. He's not very good at many things, but it sounds like he's good at putting on bike race. Yeah, he did a good job. Somehow runs a bike team as well. I
would hope he's good at I would say the the uh formerly if not
the uh the only complaint I had the whole weekend like the race went flawless. It was super good. Um he was really happy with how it went
too. The only my only complaint was that there was no beer at the end. There was like permit things and just like you know how it gets legality and
stuff like that. So um but we had plenty of beer. Did they had NA beer? Was that Did they have NA beer?
Na beer? Uh they did alcohol. They did. Yeah. So, um, yeah, times are changing tough.
Times are changing. But school is beautiful out there. Super green, different way of life than the California life. That's for sure.
Was everything bike feel pretty good. Felt properly prepared, properly dialed as best you could.
I felt super good the whole time. Um, other than just being a little overwhelmed on my bike, I think just I
was running the Druid, Forbidden Druid, so 130 travel bike with the 160 fork and
so it it did everything great. like I could push pretty hard and go fast, but I would have enjoyed a full-blown enduro
bike. Um like this guy named David Khan was out there on a full frameworks. That's the bike you want out there.
Absolutely. So some videos of David smashing stuff. Yeah. He did this gap on um on one of
the downhill trails there. That's was uh I said I got to fly home.
I'm good. I'm not pulling in. No, super cool. Um definitely would love to go go back. Yeah.
Sick. Nice. Radical. That sounds like a great time. Um you also did this race at the in
Mammoth. Yeah. So going on from that that that was two weekends ago. Last weekend I was just in Mammoth. We had a uh company
like worldwide cycling camping trip. Um a little smaller this year. But I saw there was a local downhill race out
there called the uh it was a village championship. Village downhill championship. Nice. We race a trail called Flow. If you're
familiar with Mammoth, it's trail called Flow. Um so yeah, it was on Friday and I booked it out there cuz they closed the
course at 12. So left early and yeah, booked it out there. Got two laps in and had to race it and uh yeah, it was super
cool. I got third which was which was rad. Nice. Still got smoked by two local guys on
downhill bikes. Um but uh that was super cool. It was a nice little uh cherry on top of uh some good
weekends. So nice cool out there. Uh both weekends you ran some uh
prototype rims. Yep. Rode some uh some prototype wheels that we uh should be making soon here
for Trail One. So, a little sneak peek on the podcast here for everyone. Said you said the East Coast Jank was
jank. Rocky as hell. Rocky just full test. Yeah. So, first day I was running double double down
tires, front and rear and I flatted a DHR in the rear. Um, I was running my normal pressures, so like
24 28 or so. And both tires I was hitting rim the whole time on practice day. And I think that's the reason why I
pinched too is just hitting rim way too much. So, um, second day I got ended up getting a downhill tire for the race day
and, uh, one ran higher pressure like everyone told me to after the fact, but yeah, I was running these rims in at the
shed and at Mammoth and, um, they did super well. So, I'm very happy to report, no dents, no
issues, still true. Pretty legit. So, very stoked on that. It was a It was a proper test. Wow.
That should be cool. Everyone uh I told everyone who we were with like kind of on the B team and stuff about the wheels
and everyone was super stoked about it and wants to get wants to get a pair too. So that was uh pretty cool. I can
say the Jank is a pretty good test of wheels and tires. It is man. You're just you're hitting stuff and you don't even see it coming
and all of a sudden you just hear your rim or even when you do see it coming you mist time something and just like come
down right on the top of stuff. You have to just not care. Yeah. You kind of Yeah. Living in Grand Junction, it was like 30 PSI max.
Downhill casings for like trail bikes. Cuz around around here, you can kind of like hit rocks, but they're a little bit
more rounded and um it's not a huge deal. Like maybe the speeds aren't as high in most sections, but or you skip
over them or hop over them. This stuff you're just smashing through it like big compressions and you're just d, you
know? So, it's a I feel like the speed's real high and you like blast over it here, right? Like
you're hauling. So it's not like that in between speed where you're like going to really compress and land hard
on it. It's like high speed. You're just kind of skipping over the top of Yeah. It looked like there's a lot of like square edge like big square edge
rocks. Big square edge rocks going fast into on like G outs. Those are the rim deleters. Rim deleters. Yeah.
Um yeah, David Connor who was out there. He he blew up a wheel, a carbon wheel. Um bunch of people blew up wheels. Bunch
of flats. Really? So yeah, I was pretty stoked on that. Jeff was pretty happy with that, too, that it survived the weekend. Um, yeah,
going to continue to abuse those things. Yeah, that's a great testament. Absolutely. Mhm. Nice. Well, boys, tell us a little bit
about Downeyville. You're coming fresh off hot off the heels of an epic weekend. You guys just got back.
Yeah, last night. Perfect. Fresh on the minds. Yeah. How did it go? Uh, how did it, you know, how did it uh meet your
expectations on what you thought was going to go down? Weekend weekend as a whole, I say, went well for both of us. Oh, it's the
sickest sickest weeks of bikes. Sickest week of the year, period. And then there's bikes involved.
Camping, sick rides. We basically shuttle up, ride all day, and get back
to make dinner and live in the Yuba River. Um, so that as a whole is good.
But I think, well, except for my uh 2 minute into the first day, first trail,
I went straight OTB. No. Yeah. Yeah. the the first day, first lap, we got straight going.
Literally 2 minutes and 15 seconds in the first trail. No way. Straight OTB. What happened? Uh, it's just like a little like off
camber kind of section of trail. There's like a kind of a pedal clipping rock on the left and some big route and then it
looked like a moto got hung up somewhere and dug rear tires. So it's like this RGB bargie hole route rock and I just
kind of came into it without really like looking too much and then just like got RG bargie kind of weight went forward
and then I'm pretty sure my swing arm or seat stay clipped this rock on the left
and by the time I knew it I was like weight was too far forward and I just basically was like I'm going over I
might as well tuck and roll and like bike went over me and stuff. It wasn't actually that big of a deal like I just
like tuck and rolled. think I like barely broke the skin on my knee. Wow. But it was just funny.
Yeah. I was following and I was like thought Liam was like leaning down to check his tire pressure while we were riding or something. It looked so funny.
Almost said something stupid and then he like actually went over the bars and the bike went like tipping over his head and
everything and I was like, "Oh man, like what is going on?" 2 minutes into the trail and it's like kind of like a flat
slower uphill section too. like you're ripping some pretty fast dusty corners before it and like hopping over roots
into high lines and stuff and then Yeah. like riding in almost a straight line just like catch yourself and go straight
over like on sunset. Yeah. On or sunrise or sunset, whatever it is. Sunset.
Sunset. Yeah. I don't I can't remember. I think every other every time I say it, I say something different. Um but other than
that, I got out of the way and it was good. So, it wasn't a big deal. Nice. Um but no, it was good. is the first
year in a while I haven't had a flat tire and I haven't crashed because previous two
years I flatted one on Saturday, one on Sunday and then the attempt I did before
that precoid I crashed and just gated my shoulder. So it's got to be the hardest race to not
have a a tire or wheel mechanical on. It's pretty hard. You're just you're ripping XC bikes as
fast as you can on the on the lightest setup you can down just the sharpest rocks. I mean, like whatever you can get
away with and just sending it. Yeah, it's kind of kind of silly sometimes. So, I was pretty stoked with that. I'm
stoked to like put together two days, no mechanicals. I'd say I did I equaled
what my fitness was as far as results go and it's my best result there. Um, which I'm stoked on. I think there's more time
out there I could get, but fitness and just like I don't know dissecting and analyzing the stuff like I mean Kabush
is probably on what his 12th Downeyville if not more if not more. He won the overall 48 years
old legend. He didn't win the overall second. I thought he won the overall. No, Carter got it. Oh, Carter got it.
Yeah, cuz it was by 6 seconds. You're right. Or no, it was one point. It was like 1.5
seconds or like a tiny margin of so tightcarter.
Carter, Jeff, and Tobin were like really tight. They're like waiting for downhill guys.
See if like John or Todd or someone could like squeeze right between them and like bump the points off.
Oh, gotcha. Yeah, we were all sitting at the bottom. Yeah, there's some strategy for the point system between XC and downhill day, huh?
The points makes a big difference. Like you can't send it all on one day and like kind of make it by the other day.
You got to be like pretty good good at both. And there's like certain riders that like you can kind of ride off of
one, but then that top five it's like those dudes are top five both days. You got to be up there if you want to.
So stoked on that. And um Oh yeah. Even I was going to say we're sitting at the
finish line in DH and I'd probably say of the 35ish
riders in the in the Pro Wave coming down, 10 plus had flat tires.
Wow. For downhill, yeah, I'd say downhill there were quite a few. Yeah, probably 10 plus flat tires coming
across the line. like so demoralizing cuz you spend so much effort and willpower to make it through
Saturday and it's like such a hard race to Saturday and then just to flat on Sunday like well Duncan
uh probably would have gotten on the podium or top five but apparently he flatted on that like last little bit of
single track onto the road which is Yeah. And then rode the front flat and then rode the front flat into town and then
they set up the little chicanees at the finish to slow you down. And apparently he came in there cooking because downhill's off the time. Yeah. Washed
the front and just in the barriers. Yeah. Like full pile up tangled in the
barriers. Like got up sealants everywhere. Blown off the rim. Ran across the finish line and still
went like uh he beat me. He went sick. He beat Diamond with that. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was insane,
dude. And Duncan's a Duncan's a gnarly guy and it was pretty sick. It was cool.
It was a fun one. So that's insane. Yeah. Kind of like you said, Trevor, it's like not only, you know, you spent all that time the day
before or whatever, all that time investment, but like you guys are talking about this and working on working towards it for like a year.
Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, you're like you're puzzling your bike setup, you know, you're working on your
fitness and your skills. You got to train for so long to to get that fitness level up. Yeah. Yeah. And then having it come down
to a mechanical is just like oh that's a big part of it is like and
that's I think why a lot of people like it so much is it's not a fitness exercise race but it's also bike setup
and bike uh you know you got to milk your bike through two days of hard drive
it's a complete package both individual days of racing have like a complete
package of you cannot not even like everybody says well it's downhill racing like no there's 20 minutes of full gas
flat pedaling hard across technical terrain like it's basically everything 45 to 55
minutes super D. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jeez. How How's your How would you say your weekend went?
Oh yeah, it was pretty good weekend. Uh pretty good week. It's like it's it is an entire week to me. Uh it is the
greatest week of my year. I We are two days off of it and I'm already thinking about next year. Um riding all week was
super fun. Uh I wasn't puzzling a ton with like bike stuff going in. Um, I was
pretty set on what I wanted to run. Uh, definitely a little bit more on the like the cautious side with the bike and whatnot. Um, which we can probably talk
compare our bikes a little bit in a second cuz it is kind of cool seeing the differences. Um, but yeah, just like it
was one of the most chill feelings I've had going into a race. I feel like I've got like a very I got a mindset with
this race of like I turned up last year, I'm here this year, and I'm going to turn up next year and I'm going to be
turning up until I can't get my leg over the bike. So, going to have a good day. Like, gonna give it everything. If I
flat, if my legs don't show up, if I mess up my nutrition, whatever it may be, if I have a good day, like, sweet. It's all fun. It's downy. But like, I've
been hanging out in the river and riding my bike all week. So, it was sick. It was a good one. XC was super fun. Um,
felt good. Like, legs definitely turned up on the day. Like, was warming up and could tell like I've raced enough nowadays. Like, you
can feel it in the first 10 minutes. And it was like, okay, here we go. We're we're we're good today. Like, we're feeling good. Um, nutrition was a
little bit funny for me on XC day, but I like somehow made it through. Definitely kind of I was worried about that cuz the past
couple races you've done this year, you've had issues with nutrition. I've had like big stomach problems and whatnot. So, that was kind
of a big focus for me and definitely did better. Um, I think one of the big things I really focused on was like the
prehydration and the prefueling side of it. Something I've always like said I'm going to be good about and then it
actually comes to practice, which it is difficult when you're camping all week. like it's hot. You're in the river.
You're not able to like sit inside an AC and drink a bottle of water. Like you are out.
It's sick. You're awesome. You're sitting in a river, but you're sitting in the sun getting blasted by the sun and yeah, sweating and everything. So
that side of stuff I did really well. Um I really focused on eating. I definitely could have drank a bit more. Had a
little bit of cramping stuff the end, but for the most part all that stuff was really good. Um finished up seven or
sorry, no, what was it? 13th in XC and 11th out of the all- mountain people,
which was awesome. That was like right where I wanted to be. Kind of just out of those front guys, which uh yeah, for
being not a full-time pro racer at the minute, it was pretty sweet. And then yeah, downhill was like kind of more the same,
just like try and get the legs as recovered as possible. One of the big things I remembered from last year was I
felt like I being a slightly more technically skilled rider and somebody that can send it a bit harder, especially on the smaller bikes, I felt
like I didn't use that enough last year, whereas this year I was like, "Okay, going to get a bit wild, but that's
okay." Like kind of ride that ragged edge. Were you worried about flatting doing that that kind of style of riding?
I kind of went into the mindset of if I think about flatting, I'm going to flat.
So, I'm just like not going to think about it and I'm just going to send it. hard, man. And I was just Yeah. Like there were a
couple times that I would like take a pretty wild like I was like to the point I was like finding insides and trying
like different lines trying to like really find that race line and there were a couple times
that like would come into something without breaks and go oh man I really needed a break and it was like well that was a little wild but made it happen.
It was fun. Yeah. It was like I'm sitting here and I can say it's okay. Probably if I'd be sitting here with a flat then I probably would have said
yeah I probably should have thought about it. kind of the risk you need to run to like to do well. Yeah. I think I don't know like you're
not going to uh I think a big thing this year for me was like getting rid of the safety nets. Like if you're going to go
fast there, you kind of got to risk it. Risk it for the biscuit. You can't just like oh like even stuff I didn't wear a
pack. That was a big thing. Like okay that's extra amount of water I don't have to carry. That's an extra thing on my back
that doesn't have to do heat. So like but just those like little things. Now so you had one bottle for the XC.
Yeah. So I kind of I I messed up again. So, me saying I didn't carry water. I did actually carry like 500 mil of water
in my back in a little uh I like I had this genius idea of not running a pack, but I was going to do all my mix in my
bottle and then run like a little soft flask and I wore Lyra a Lyra jersey and I was tucking it down the front of my
jersey. But then I got in the race and I got on the climb and my plan was to finish it and then or throw it by the top so I
didn't have to deal with it and it was just for like sipping water, spraying on me, whatever I needed. And then I realized I was on the climb and it was
like, well, anytime I want to drink, I just want my mix because I'm on the climb, like I need the carbs, I need the salt. Um, and so I basically just tucked
it in the back of my jersey and carried up the water. And then I saw my buddy Miles at the top and tossed it to him
and I was like, "Nice, cool, man. All that effort for nothing." But uh, yeah, I just ran one
jersey for no reason. Yeah, I wore a Lyra jersey. I I went to the dark side for no reason. But no, it
was good. it. So, like learning things, definitely getting better. Um, I've got some schemes about like finding ways to
hide mini hydration packs underneath my jersey next year. Uh, just for like a little bit more drinking stuff. But
yeah, I did a bottle of mix with pretty high concentration of mix and sodium on
the bike and then that little one of water and then I had a full bottle and I finished again. That was the bad part
was I only went through about 3/4 of it. So definitely want to hit my better
hydration. I don't know what numbers you had in your bottle and how many gels you took. I want to say it was So two scoops is
40. So I think I had about 60 g of carbs in the bottle. And then I probably had
around 8 to 900 milligrams of sodium in that bottle just off of like what's in the
mix. And then I add my own stuff to it cuz I'm a salty sweater. And then I did a an SIS 20 milligram or 20 gram gel at
the start. I did one near the top of or like on the flat part of the cross the
top of the climb and then one after sunrise on that secondary climb. So I
can't add that up right now. What is that? 60 and so 120 over two hours. So
definitely on the low end. Yeah. But as somebody that's uh leaning his way into the high carb stuff and
like trying to get better at it, it was it made a difference which was noticeable for I think somebody that says like oh
yeah I'm eating and I take a full pocket of gels and I don't normally actually eat them. That's something I think everybody can learn of is like
if you say you're going to eat and you say you're going to like oh yeah eat. If you finish your ride and you have a pocket full of food still like you
didn't eat like you didn't you didn't eat like you need to empty all your food every time. So yeah. And you said you only had
threequarters of your bottle. I Yeah, I only drank three quarters of it. And that it's it's a hard race to drink at.
This is true. And so I definitely, again, that's kind of going to that like little bit of precaution
to the wind. I prehydrated really hard. And again, I was planning on drinking that 500 mil, but it was just like why
would I want to drink water in this situation? Like it's I'm going hard enough like I'm choking choking the water down effectively, whatever it may
be. Why would I not just use the mix at this point? It is it is tough to drink water on down. I think there's like
from what I can think of right now like on the XC day besides the whole climb on the actual downhill portion of it I feel
like there's two or three places maybe. Yeah. From the top to the bottom there's about three sections.
Yeah. They added in that road. We ran a slightly different course. A slightly different course. I don't know if you knew that Trev.
I I heard about that. Yeah. Because the heat. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it was pretty hot the last two years.
It was. But I guess I talked to Gary at WTB who does a lot of course marshalling
and he said the uh fire crews up there just made an agreement with uh SPTS who
puts on the race. Hey, if it's this number we're cutting off if the forecast is over 95 degrees I
heard was there. Yeah, because apparently two years ago they had like five heli evacu
Golden Golden Valley Rim is basically nonacessesable by like a 4x4. Even a moto.
Even a moto is pretty pretty difficult. It is pretty back there. So if it's over that number, they take
you down sunset and then on a fire road that takes you to the top of baby heads. Which uh sneaky preview, I don't even
think I told you this. I heard that they're uh talking about putting in some uh single track uh in and out of that
along that fire road the entire way. So you'll be like jump in for like three miles out or whatever it is like in and
out of single track like climbing, descending, just some like different stuff because that gold valley stuff is just so risky
in those higher. Yeah. So the course ended up what do you say? Probably 8 to 12 minutes faster
maybe. For us we were roughly saying for our speed it was just like I would say yeah
I'd say about that. Y So is that kind of why you guys want to work wear a pack? You feel like it's easier to drink water with a pack versus
like reaching down and getting a bottle. That's why last year I ran a pack and like I think like half a bottle of pure
water 3/4 and that was mainly to pour on myself. Yeah. and like maybe wet in the mouth.
But all my drink mix was in the pack. This year I went two bottles, no pack. I
can fit two bottles on my ASR. One with uh pure water and one with 80 grams of
Martin. Mhm. And then I did think I did a Martin gel in the start, a
standard one. I did a the 160 gel just before the first aid, which is 40 grams
of carbs. I did a calf gel at the top of baby heads
and then I had a backup gel in case I dropped one or I was really hurting and I ended up taking that on third divide
just cuz I could on the climb on the climb. Yeah, climb to third divide. That's like halfly most impressive
parting on that climb. Yeah, I'm drooling. Yeah, I mean I definitely was too, but I
was just like I turned on to it and I just had the thought of like I have it. I'll take it. And I just And the
Martin's are really easy to get down for me. So it's like perfect timing for the rest of the race, too. Yeah. You got like it's like Yeah. It's like will it help?
Maybe not. But I was like, I have it. I'm going to slam it. And I did finish my Martin bottle basically by the top of
the climb. And then I drank the rest of my water as well, which I was surprised I did. So you guys both weren't were not
running packs. Correct. Interesting. Risk for the biscuit baby. I would not do that. Yeah. I would love to have a pack on that
race. But I I managed to drink enough. I drank a lot on the climb, more than I
thought I would. And I really kind of paced into it much more than I did previous years. And like Tideman took
off. He was gone. I couldn't see him. And then we had a few friends, Ben and Nikki, that at one point they're
probably almost a minute up on me. And then I just slowly I just kept telling myself like ride into it because I don't
think I have like the full like zone 5 fitness right now. So I just held it like pretty steady. And then by the top
of the first aid, I think I was what we looked 30 seconds off or something of my last year's time, which I felt more fit.
So by 45 minutes in, I was 30 seconds off. Yeah. That that first, for people who
don't know, in Downeyville, like you start off with an hour climb. Yeah. And it is zone five the whole time. Yeah. And it's quite gnarly. It's super
intense to to even be at zone 5 for an hour is pretty next level. Um it's just it takes a lot of uh grit.
What's the climb like? Is it like single track? I've never been down. It's a full fire road. You start off with it's I
guess it's almost 2 miles road. Is it 2 miles? It's almost 2 miles road. It's like 7 to 8 minutes off the fire.
And the pace is the pace off the gun is so high. Oh yeah. So you like can like if you're not ready for that, you just blow up
or you're not smart of your own effort. Like you want to keep up with who's in front of you, which
people in front of us are full-blown pros. So like Yeah. This is like the first is the first year I was like, "Oh, I need to be
on those wheels. like those wheels right now. And so I definitely like burnt an extra match at the start
because I was like, "Okay,
that group's going." Like there's a big enough split that I need to get across. But other than that, it's just
And then it's and then it's fire road all the way up. There's one or two pretty loose sections.
Pretty loose. Pretty steep that like I think that's the hottest I've ever been in my life. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's pretty much fully
exposed until that first aid station. It's just like it's this white dirt and it just like reflects off of it.
It's hot. Um I highly recommend I highly recommend anybody that does end up going or has been to Downville and
going again, take a look around when you're on that climb because it's very easy to just like stare down at your stem and be hating life. But yeah, it's
like good to take a breather, take a moment and yeah, like just look around even for a half second cuz it is
stunning up there. It is so incredible. And I think I honestly this was one of the first years I looked around cuz most
years I'm just staring down. But I talked to a friend before and he he said like take take a look around up there,
man. That's like important stuff to do. And it's it's beautiful. But it's a suffer.
It's really good advice. Puts things into perspective a little bit. Yeah, 100%. You're like kind of lucky to do this right now. Yeah, exactly. Like no matter what,
we're racing our bikes. We're doing all sorts of craziness. worrying about grams of carbs per hour, milligrams of sodium,
and freaking out about it, but in the end, it's like, dude, we just got to ride our bikes. Yeah, 100%. Riding bikes in one of the most
beautiful places. That's how you go in the world. That's how you go fast. Exactly. And you just keep bringing it back to that. So,
you counting up over uh my grams per hour. So, I did I did a I Yeah,
you I did 180 grams total. Damn. From the start to the finish. That's
impressive. So, see, that's where I need to get back. How long is the race? Like 2 and a half hours? I did 219. 219.
Yeah. So, pretty high. Yeah. Almost 85 g carbs per hour. Yeah. But your body is working in
overtime though. It's like that is what I shoot for though. Like on races is about 80 grams of carbs. So, I kind of nailed that. Um I think last
year I actually did more. I think I did the math and I did 95 cuz I had the pack which was double
Oh yeah. double drink mix which was like that alone is 160 carbs in the pack. So,
although it's like syrup, but yeah, it is like syrup. I've had that that mix in a in a bottle on my road
bike before and it was hot and it was just like sitting at the bottom cuz in the road bike you're not really shaking it too much and I just I drank a swig.
I'm like, whoa, that is straight syrup. The same thing happened to me when I had that. What? What? Uh, you want to talk about
bike setup? Yeah. What you What did you run, Liam? I ran my uh Yeti ASR. I have a bike
check on it on the worldwide site, but I did an ASR. I did a XL frame. So, last
year I was on a large. This year I went XL. I'm 5'11, so I'm a little short for an XL like per their chart, but I
basically wanted more reach, more wheelbase, more chain stay than I had last year. Um, and be able to run a 40
mil stem, so it kind of feels more mini trail bikey, although it's still a mega light frame with a flex day. All right.
To add on that, like Liam's bike does fit very well for an XL bike. I just built up an XL ASR today and it felt
huge. But the way you have it set up with over fork and the short stem and the and the low stack like it actually
fits super cool. It's like a super cool setup. Super. Yeah. So stem slammed all the way down cuz it's got a big XL head tube.
Uh it's got a 130 pike on it. So 10 mil over forked. I have a deluxe rear shock
on that. That might have a little extra cushion there. Um, I have mechanical Eagle 90 on there
with a XXSL cassette and chain. So, it's like the lightest transmission setup you can have. Ceramic speed pulley kit,
ceramic speed bottom bracket, zip one zero high top wheels, motor brakes,
tires, tires. Yeah. So, I went up there
talking about the ultimate ultimate down setup. What tires you what sauce you I went up there with Victoria Barzo
front me call rear um which I was pretty keen on running if I could get away with it. I ran it here and it felt quite
good. Ran it on like local trail spectrum and it flat. Um I have turboite
the old turboite inserts in there which are like pretty volumey but light. And I did two days of practice on the barzo
and I just felt like I cannot trust it. Like I was going good at times, but
other times I just felt like so hesitant on it in the front. In the front. Yeah. And I was just like,
you know what? I'm not gonna push this. Um I had the Sarah tire, which is like a
sick like reconesque tire, but a little bit more open tread and it's really loose this year. So I threw that on the
front, did the last practice day on it, and I was like, "Yep, perfect. I can like trust this tire now." So yeah,
Sarah front, Mezcol rear with tubilite inserts. I was running pretty low pressure like uh I think race days I did
like 185 front 20 20.5 rear. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Gnarly. Yeah. And what was the uh the
Downville scales? The most accurate scales on the planet. Downville scales are so inaccurate. What did it Are they
Was it as bad as last year? Not quite as bad. Last year was a joke cuz you weighed it before you went.
Yeah. Like last year my ASR weighed at 225 lbs and I was like no way dude. Like
it's like Wait. Yeah. But they were like different from day to day and like the whole idea is they're supposed to be the same weight.
The same supposed to be the same but they so I had them reweigh it and I was like yo can I get a reweigh like 225
right? So then they reweighed it and it was like 249. I'm like that still sounds a pound light or so from last year's
setup. This year it was 269. Sounds better which is pretty close but I probably
more and that had my my flat kit on there. So, I think it's probably more like just sub 28
if I had to like with that pack flat kit on there. I think it's lighter than that, but I think it's light sub. I think you're
in the 26s. It was It was maybe without the flat kit. Yeah, maybe without the flat kit. I think I
could be high 26s with those tires. But think with dual recons when I first built it, it was
just sub 27. We can go wait after this. Yeah, we can. It's here. Um, but no, honestly, setup
was pretty awesome. I'm still like the more we think about it, I
still think everything's won on the climbs and the pedals, so might drop back down to like SID setup or Fox 34 SL
next year. I don't know. Tires are pretty good. I I don't know. I don't feel like I can really risk too much.
But I do think I was too hesitant on the DH uh like pushing the downhills and the
rough stuff on especially day two. You just can't do that. You got to push both the downhill and the climbs. And I think
I kind of reserved a little on the downhill and really pushed the pedals, which was good, but I still went a
minute slower. Um and I don't know, XC day I felt pretty good. I set some good
PRs and whatnot. So, um I I think I ended up 20 20th flat, right?
Yeah. Overall, n uh Yeah. So, I did 23rd on XC day and
of the all- mountain category, 21. Yeah. And then 16th on downhill and 20th
overall. So, nice. Not bad. Top 20. Yeah. Um very legit.
Yeah. Pretty pretty stoked. But yeah, I don't know. Can always tweak the bike, but I'm not bummed on any one piece of
my bike. Um, it's pretty dialed. Uh, I think more or less the fitness puzzle and just like
knowing how to push the course would make me faster over my bike setup, but So, you don't think there's anything you
change on your bike going into next year? There's always going to be something to change, but we got 360s.
It depends what comes out. Depends on what comes out. We Me and Tim and Arty were talking all night about both fitness gains and bike
gains. There's some tweaking we can do, but got to see what you guys are going to be excited. I might have to join you guys next year, dude. But they weren't
there. Yeah, I wasn't there this year. So, but in terms of like tire pressure, suspension setup, like bike felt pretty
ded. Yeah, I let out a bit of fork pressure after first day cuz it was pretty harsh
up there. Um and then I kind of ran the rest. I didn't touch touch my rear shock at all. Um and yeah, tire pressure was
good. So, it didn't flat and the tires survived. I really like that that um Victoria Sarah tire. Um, it's a good
tire. Although Tyman ran WTB peacekeeper front ranger rear and Evan, how do you
say his last name? Full Jean Copolis. I think Gino Gino's nickname.
Um, he ran dual peacekeepers and won the DH. So, Oh, wow.
You can go fast while pushing a He's like pro enduro rider. Yeah. But he did well. Yeah.
Wow. Yeah. He He has like all the local legends up there right now. It's like 20 laps on down in the classic right now.
But he lives in Sacramento. But yeah, he sick. He he had beasters, which is, you know, I'd say a meteor tire for the front of
the pro group. Beast Keepers and Lyra. Yeah, he did Lyra and and downhill shoes.
Like shoes and Lycra was standup trail helmet. I was like, "This guy means business." But uh
yeah, you say downhill shoes. Oh yeah. That's a He's like a top like California enduro
pro rider, though. He went, but but I was stoked to see him on some real tires beat the XC boys on XC tires.
Yeah, it was a nice reassurance that like mountain bikes. Yeah, exactly. Like trail tires can go faster. I not
trail tires, but heavy duty XC tires on Aspens, you know? It's like
Jeez, I'm not I'm trying I like my face where it is. I'm not trying to smash it. Aspens is crazy.
What was your setup? Yeah. So, I ran my Spot Rive 115. Uh,
but bike I ran almost the same exact thing as last year. Uh, I think I only
changed tires, so I'm full ShraMM on that bike at the minute. Got XXSL drivetrain. Uh, some Motives on there
with 180 rotors. What else? Uh, Pike up front, Pike 130
on the front, Deluxe on the rear. Um, I was running, as Liam said, WTB
Peacekeeper with the high grip on the front and then I was on a Ranger in the back. Um, on the uh, what's it called?
The not fast rolling. That's what it is. Uh, fast rolling. Um, to be honest, tire
pressure I was a little like kind of loose on cuz I couldn't really decide. So, I didn't really want to pick a specific number. So, I did like the old
uh, put it to my normal pressures that I run like every single day, like 24 in the rear, 22 in the front. And I just went
on the both of them. That's probably good. I love that. Just squeeze it. Yeah. Um I Yeah, I definitely took the like
take it a little bit loose cuz you start so early and it's like cold and you're going up in elevation. I know. It's tough to figure that.
And I was like I was kind of getting in my head a little bit about trying to like get it specific. So I kind of went with the other approach of like, well,
we'll see what happens. Like it's going to be good. And um yeah, same pretty much like same setup I would run at home
every day. Uh I ride that bike everywhere. ride everything on it. Um, so I'm pretty confident it feels like an
extension of my body, which is sick. So, kind of just kept it to the kept it to
what I know and just had fun and like Yeah. What you know is going to go fast. What was your Dannyville scale?
Oh, yeah. Mine uh it was 29 29 290. And so, uh, that's definitely like
something I'm thinking about for next year. I'm definitely a believer in like weight isn't the only answer. Like we
freak out about a pound on our bike, but like if you do a watts per kilo scale, like if you want to get really technical, like one pound on your bike
versus like x amount on your body or if you like heard of the portaotti before a race, like that magically like
drastically changes your watts per kilo. So yeah, extra weight you're dragging to the top. So, but that said, you go, hm,
two, three pounds. Like I was like sniffing around some of the faster guys like the podiums and the top fives and
you look at their bike weights and you're like man we're 3 lbs like I don't know what that can do. So
yeah interesting bikes even have like a pound on my bike weight wise and they're getting away with some crazy
tires and whatnot. And that's where they're getting it basically like is the tires, right? I mean tires all of them were on said forks. I
want to say besides Chino, I'm not sure if there's a faster I don't I don't know about like the the
Todds, the They were all XC bikes. They all had like SID forks or 34s up front.
There wasn't a lot of There wasn't a lot of pikes floating around in the Was or was not. It was not in the top section. So like
shout out to Gino on the DVO. Yeah. But yeah, Gino and then Tidman on XC is
probably one of the fastest like Pikes up there. Wow. Yeah. So, trying these guys are pushing pretty what a
modern XC bike is. You know, 120120 SIDs. And I was a pretty big hater of the SID like
maybe two years ago and then after riding our demo ASR a couple times like uh the SID's actually pretty good.
If you're running at the appropriate air pressure, maybe even a little on the soft side, it does work very well. And something
you go ahead. I I think on something like Downeyville, you can the the SID's
not really going to slow you down. You're hitting stuff so hard. You're crosseyed. You're trying hard. It's going to work and it keeps you in
control. I think where I noticed the like SID lacking is like on home trails, something that I hit over and over and
over. And you want the like Charger 3.1 damper like and be able to adjust your high speed and low speed and really dial
it in. That's cuz you know what you're hitting up there. you're kind of just so loose and just like online, offline, all over
the place that like you're not really that dialed in with your damper settings and like what the bike should be doing.
Yeah, I was going to say like almost a very similar thing. I like I think I was in the mindset of like,
oh, I want that little bit more like I'm that type of rider. I I want that extra, but I'm coming to like as we were kind
similar similar thing coming to that realization of like, well, Downyville is very different than like what I'm pushing on my home trails. I want the
hold up. I want all that nice extra stuff when I'm like really pushing. But yeah, I'm pushing on the descent, but
it's definitely not like a very detailed pushing. Like you're kind of as you're
pretty crosseyed. You're like focusing on the pedals and so I don't know. Who knows? Maybe I'll be sitting back here
in a year uh scratching my head cuz I went way lighter and broke stuff.
It's interesting you talk about the suspension like that. When I was at the shed enduro, um there was like two or
three trails where you want the absolute like most supple fork ever cuz you I just need traction over this little
these jank rocks and stuff and just need as much traction as possible. And then there was other tracks
that we were racing in the same day, of course, that were just like downhill tracks where you're just smashing. You need the hold up and you need it to be
supportive. So like on those downhill tracks, I normally never do this, but I would add two clicks of high-speed
compression and then on the on the other tracks, I would just take it out. Yeah. And normally I'm just like a pretty set and forget guy, but it actually made a huge
difference on how the bike felt. Yeah. Yeah. It was good. Nice. Yeah. Overall,
best week ever. Um kind of got like a little Downingville fam going at this point. I mean, bunch of people camp
together and then all people see in town and stuff. It's a lot of a lot of repeat faces and and really cool people.
That's one of the best parts about bike racing is the race family you make. Super cool. You see the same people and
it's it's coming. Yeah. Especially a race like that that's even got a community around like the individual race. It's uh it's pretty cool when you
like don't see somebody for a year and even like the people we see all year like the Sea and whatnot and even Gino
like talking to him and kind of whispering at other races like oh yeah like this is whatever but I'm I'm ready for downhill.
What tires you running? So which one like Gino are you going for the downhill? Are you trying to go fast
in XC2? What are you doing all that? So no it's good fun. It's good good crew.
I'm already already counting down the days. And on that note, Zack uh Zach did make sure that I was gonna say that he
was uh third fastest in the camp. And he did go quick, too. Zack wanted to know.
He did beat his times from last year, which is amazing cuz he did super well last year as well. But he's fit right now. He's like
running fit. Zach is very fit right now. He did not drink the week leading up to it. Pretty impressive.
Very impressive. Um, and he went faster and yeah, he's third fastest at camp.
Buddy Ben had a double flat weekend in a crash and some stitches. Ooh. Jacob flatted on DH.
Broke his wheel. Broke his wheel. Um, and then yeah, McKenzie and Tommy. Zach went faster.
So, Wow. Is that it? Oh, and Big Mike. Big Mike did go faster. Yeah, Big Mike went but Zach still beat him.
Yeah. Yeah. You love to see it. So, we love to see that. Zach's a weapon right now. He is. Oh, he went, didn't he go 12
seconds underneath his goal? No, 12 seconds over. Or over. That's right. DH. He didn't break an hour on DH this.
And last year he did I think he did like a 58 last year. He's been He's been running too much. Yeah, he did an hour and 12 seconds.
Oh my god. So close. Yeah, that was sick. Awesome.
Yeah, tells a lot about Downville. Yeah, that was a full blast. I People wanted to hear that.
Yeah, I guess got me fired up. I want to go right now. You like it up there, Jared. You should come. I know.
I I'm still yet to get up there on like a real bike. That's the thing. Like we ride it on an XC bike and all you want
to do the entire week is just have real tires and just a bit more suspect. I would just like pull off of
everything. For those who don't know, like I would go there with downhill tires. Yeah. Oh yeah. We're talking about little aspens.
It's craziness. It doesn't make sense. It is crazy to hear you guys talk about. I mean cuz people go up there shuttle,
right? Like you'll go and shuttle those trails on a full on. I doubt most people pedal that like
climb that we do on SC day. Like most people are doing shuttles every every day. You do like two shuttle laps and it's
like 30 40 miles of single track and it's the best sing like proper mountain biking. So good.
Yeah. At the very least got to go up there with you guys to at least just ride bikes, you know, let alone racing. Let's do it next year. That's on the
list. Um let's hit this real quick for a quick break. Yeah, let's do The Kettle Treasure Hunt
Edition 2 is live. Yeah. If you're hearing this, you're likely too late. You might be too late.
We sent this live at noon today and like five or six jars are already claimed. Really? I haven't heard any updates yet.
Yes. Really? Yes. Which ones? I don't even know. It's It's live on the website right now.
Um I know that one of the Salt Lake City Salt Lake City jars got claimed. One of the uh Colorado jars got claimed. The T
Lake Tahoe jar. Um Wow. Yeah. Let's So the last treasure hunt
that Jeff uh and we launched, the jars got found within a couple hours.
Eight. How many jars is that? Nine out of 10 jars got found in 18 hours. And
the only last jar that didn't get found was on an island. Was on an island you had to take a ferry to. Yeah.
So it's inaccessible unless you took a ferry. So Jeff was like trying to make this one like super hard and go out of his way
pretty hardcore to do this. So the fact that like multiple have been found and it's It's been what 6 hours since it got
launched. They're out there this year. Six have been found. Six haven't found so far. Both in Colorado. Tidman Me and Tideman went on a all day
adventure with Jeff where he hit a jar. Um and that was a 16 mile round trip.
Yeah. Big day on my Tman almost got a hairline fracture on the hike.
That is the worst. Yeah. I don't I don't do a lot of like walking activities. And uh Jeff said, "You want to go on a
hike?" I was like, "Yeah, I'm down. That sounds really fun." And next thing you know, we hiked for like 10 hours, which was sick. I'm always down for an
adventure through canyonering up a river without uh a trail.
Yeah, my feet were wet for 10 hours. We hiked for 10 hours and my feet were wet entire time. It was It was awesome. Like
coolest thing I've coolest things I've done this year. But so get out there. Definitely. Did you guys see the uh the
local one with the Joker? Like the the 13 that's got three. Yeah, the three
ones. I was already scouting and looking where those are. So, we hit three three jars for one one
location technically, but like only one of the jars has the prize. Yep. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's a couple of those are not
short mission. No, like of the three, there's like they're decent distances out there.
We have information, so we cannot speak. Oh, no. I'm not going to Yeah, I don't know any of this.
One of my roommates was like, "Let's" He's like, "Let's go let's go find one this weekend." I'm like, "You better go after work." Yeah. And then I was like, "Well, I can't join
you, though. Yeah, I'm off limits, but he's like he's like maybe you could just join me. Got to go right now. Got to go like
Jeff said I was allowed to go for 13 and I nearly went right before this. I was sitting at home cuz I got called off
work and I was sitting at home and they like popped up and I was like oh cool like routing them all out on the maps and everything and trying to figure out
and then I was like that just sounds like me not making it to the podcast. It sounds like me lost. Not not only
that, but uh they're the Joker ones, so might or might not have found anything. You might have just wasted your time.
Well, hey, it's not a waste, man. It's not a waste. Not a waste. It does look like they're in some beautiful spots.
Exactly. At the very least, you'll get an adventure out of it. Oh, yeah. That's That's the point. Yeah. Awesome. Well, uh, with that said,
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I probably smell. Same. Couldn't be worse than us last. I think we all smell right now.
I took a deep shower. Honestly, Downyville is one of the
cleanest I come home from all races. I feel like Yeah. of all of all races because you get to
you get that like grimy feeling throughout a week of not showering, but you're in the river so much.
layers of dust where you just
clean off. That's why like camping near water is like almost essential. Oh yeah. You
know, it just makes I mean the river was what a foot lower and maybe a couple degrees warmer this
year, but it's still chilly. So like nice. Yeah. But it's fun. Yeah. If you weren't in the sun, it was
like cold to get into, but just right in the sun. Well, boys, let's hop into a couple of these epic classic listener
questions. I like it. When a customer buys a new bike from Worldwide Cyclingery, what shop support
is provided? Does that shop support expire after a certain amount of time? I had my local bike shop tell me that any
shop perks expired after a year after purchase and subsequently changed or they charged me $35 for a derailer tune.
Is this normal? Dan in Burlington, Vermont. Well, Dan, it's an expensive derailer tune. I just
think one that's an expensive derailer tune and two our we do not expire perks. So
our kind of classic is uh we call them standard tunes. It's you know your
classic bolt check, brake check and alignment and shifting. So like make sure your bike's working.
Make sure your bike's working working and safe to ride basically. We do that for the life of the bike does not expire. And then we do one protune
for free, which is a headset regrease, bottom bracket regrease, wheel, true
brake bleed. No, brake bleed, but like just make sure the bike's running as mint as you can. Pretty much
grease pivots. I think clean it up, decrease the drivetrain, like make it like fresh again. Pretty much. Yeah.
Bring it back to life. It's a It's a good one to do after one year. And we do one of those for free. Yeah. And the standard tune for life is
awesome because like if you're It really only works if you're like a local customer, right? Yeah. Um, but it's nice
because it just makes sure your bike's working good the whole life of the bike. And that means less service for you in
the long run. Like if I if uh you do have like worn out brake pads, I can tell you, oh, your brake pads are worn
out or you need a new tire. Um, and it's better than just running it roached and making other parts wear out faster, you
know, or your chain's going to get worn like suspension service, chain wear, bottom bracket wear, these things that
if you catch them in time, you'll be spending less money. Although it sounds like suspension's,
you know, a big service. It's a few hundred bucks for front and rear, but like if you don't if you go too far, then you're spending a,000 bucks on a
fork. Yeah. And it uh you don't realize how in need uh your bike is of a service until you
get that service. I think it's something that everybody that's ever had like a really nice bike service or even even
people just Yeah. get their bike worked on a small thing, you don't realize how like just the tiniest little tweaks like
a derailer adjustment, you don't realize how nice that is. Instead of like, oh, like trying to find those gears all day.
It's like just that tiny little thing, it like completely changes your ride. At least for me, the experience is way
better. And that's what kind of what we want is your experience to be forget about riding my like I want to forget about my bike when I'm riding my
bike. That's the goal. And I feel like as a shop in this modern day, like the
best value you can provide is offering tunes for life or something, right? Like when I could go buy a bike from whoever
online direct to consumer like why would I buy from a local bike shop, you know?
Give me give me a reason to get it from you. Another thing we do for online customers is we will support the warranty of the
frame or the parts as long as we can. So most frames these days are lifetime warranty and parts I think SRAMM's
2year. Is that correct? So as long as there's a part within that 2-year, we'll
help warranty that for them. So they don't have to go direct to Stram. Um they come through us and we kind of
provide that middleman service for them. Yeah. I thought you were going to say the gift card. Sorry, Trevor. But no, I'm just saying like a lot of time
if you were to go to a normal shop and you let's say you didn't buy the bike from them. Yeah. Like just because the
part is under warranty doesn't necessarily mean that their their time that you're using is free. You know, no
one's time is free. So, um that's another little perk is like we'll help the customer out as much as they can or as much as we can.
Right. Um another perk that we offer if when you buy a new bike from a Yery. Is it $250 gift card when you buy a
complete bike? I think I'm not sure if we do that, Jar. We don't. I don't know if we do that. Pretty sure we still do that. Okay. I don't know.
And I think it's $100 $150 like for a frame. So, you got a little something to upgrade. maybe set of trail and bar and
stem. I don't know. There you go. Um little upgrade. So yeah, that's pretty sweet. I had that like one of the
first nice bikes I ever bought from a shop up in Santa Cruz. Um they they did that for me. Obviously I bought it like
full retail, so they're like here you could get you can get an NV stem bar or whatever. I'm like sweet. So um that's
always cool. Just like a little something, you know. Yep. But did they color match it for you? They did not.
I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure Trevor does that here with Trevor. I think he does. Yeah. It's whatever the
customer wants. Yeah. It was like the OG like I think it was like the Menar Bar or something like those are pretty sick. It had like the
UCI color on there. Oh yeah. Those are iconic. World champs bar. The world champ bar. Yeah.
Um how about this classic listener question. If every time you sneezed
something random happened, what would you want it to be? I got a million dollars in my pocket. Yeah. I was I was going to sayund I was
going to say hundred bucks. Trevor, you reach for the sky. A million million dollars every time you
sneeze. That's That's greedy. 100 bucks. I could do 100 bucks every
time I sneeze. Any money in my pocket. Any money. Any money. That's funny.
I don't know about you guys, but like I think recently I noticed I feel like I sneeze like almost every night before I
go to bed. Like I lay down and I like I know I'm going to sneeze and I sneeze. It's that cat, dude. Probably
it's allergic to your cat, dude. Okay. Well, I used to be allergic to cats, but like Oh, it went away.
It did kind of go away. Yeah, it used to be like aggressively allergic where like I couldn't be around them. Like my eyes would like my my trachea would like
seize up. Like it just magically grew out of it. It's gone. I can be around cats all the time now. Like I literally rub my face
on her. You sneeze every night. I just sneeze like once. Literally one sneeze. I'm like And here it is. And
there it goes. And then Yeah. Like literally when I lay down, maybe it's some biological thing. I don't know. All right. So every time you sneeze at
night, what would you want to happen? At least $100,000. At least. At least.
Okay. Okay. At least like at least 1,000. 10 would be better. 100 would really steal the deal.
I mean, I I could go back and just say every time I sneeze, I shave 10 seconds off my dining.
There you go. I'm going to get sick just for that reason. See, my brain went like a completely different way. You guys were all like,
"Moneywise, I was thinking like something silly would like happen around you or something." I mean, it does say something random.
Yeah. Well, it could be it could be anything. Yeah. I always like somebody like trips near you or like like just like other
random I was like what a good idea get a new bike anytime you sneeze. It's just like explains my uh lack of
bank account if you have money and I'm like yeah dude I'll watch
you trip. We all had the same exact answer. I mean that is pretty funny. The example was
like having a seagull like cry in the distance or something which Oh well Tim was right on right on key
with that. I like scary like seagulls crying or like shrieking or whatever. But yeah,
that's a good answer. Somebody trip like whoever whoever you wanted to. Somebody was being like point the sneeze
at someone. Yeah, that's super power tactics. So yeah, I don't know. Sneeze and uh Jeff
Kabush takes a little spill at the start line and thanks mechanical. I don't know. I just dance on that.
I definitely sneeze while riding my bike, but I can't think of a time I've sneezed in a race.
You're probably probably breathing way. I've definitely sneezed in a race once. Really? Yeah. But it was like something on the
side like dust or something. Definitely dust. I've gotten a couple times. I Well, we were sneezing this weekend, but
like not often on the bike. More more around camp. Mhm. Yeah. Afterwards. Feel like it's hard to
sneeze when you're like exerting yourself. Yeah. I had like the down cough going. I know. Like the black lung.
Mhm. Close to it, man. It was dusty. I just watched Zoolander the other night. It was pretty some classics. She's like, "Pop, I think I got the
black lung. Keep it down there for a day." Insane.
It's so good. It's classic. It's one of those ones that kind of hurts your brain after a little while. I'm like, "God, he's such an idiot." But the school is
What is this? The Center for Ants. So funny. All right, I'll I'll read this next question.
Read this next one, Trevor. All right. Hey guys, love the podcast. Uh, fun and lots of good information. So, question about tires. Another one,
lol. Liam was going to run the Barzo Mezcow combo at Downeyville. I've never
used those and was wondering how that went. I will be racing riding solo the 25 hours in Frog Hollow again. Ran
Forecaster front and rear two years ago with no issues at the race, but I pinch flatted in training this year, so I'm
thinking different tire combo. Feel like a little too much tire for the gem trail and climbs. Would you
recommend the same combo Liam did for Downville or a recon both front and rear with XO plus rear? I'm 240, so need some
protection out there. Um, I'm thinking to insert in the rear just in case. Thanks for reading the question and look
forward to hearing your thoughts from Jared. What up, Jared?
Jared. Yeah. Yeah, from one to another. I wonder if he's doing Gem Trail. I wonder if um where uh
what does it say? Frog Hollow. I wonder if that's in like St. George. Yeah, I had the same thought. Yeah, I nearly went to that race a
couple years ago. That it's because we did Gem Trail on Chasing Epic trip, right? We did. Yeah, that was that was cool. Yeah,
man. I'm okay. Now that I know it's there, I normally would say maybe not the Recon in the Exo Plus, but that
doesn't sound like a bad tire out there, especially in the back. If he's 240 as well, like he's going to need some protection.
I had a call, my uh obviously semi-sponsored answer here of uh some peacekeepers cuz they got a ton of
volume and uh some extra volume with the weight might just be able to like kind of disperse it out a little bit. They're
nice like big round wide tires. Like I think the peacekeeper is like a good forecaster. It sounded like just a
good do it all. Yeah. Buy tire. Yeah. Yeah. I'm uh I'm putting the Peacekeepers on this week because they
look sweet. Um apparently they rip too. Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
Gino Gino laying her down. Gino and T went faster than me. So um Peacekeeper would be good. I think a
Recon Exo Plus could be a good one. Definitely Exo Plus Recon and Peacekeepers will be
pretty similar weight. probably pretty similar rolling and hours. Yeah, it's a big boy.
That is a big boy. Racing solo. Yeah, solo. Racing riding solo. 25 hours. Frog haul.
Wow. Yeah, that's a good I think those would be good. I mean, the Victoria Sarah, I've been impressed with
it. That front and rear does have a little extra uh pinch flap protection similar to like an Exo Plus, although it
comes in a bit lighter weight than a Recon EXO Plus. So that's also
maybe one you could look at, but I'd probably say Recon X+ or Peacekeepers as of right now.
Yeah. Yeah. Feel like rolling resistance is going to be pretty key when you're riding for 25 hours. Rolling resistance
and weight, but yeah, like you said, you want that little extra support protection. Yeah, I would want EXO plus uh out there
in in St. George area like for sure cuz you're just going to you're just going to roll next to a rock and it's like
it's you're you're going to want that extra protection. You look at it wrong, it'll get you. I know. It's sharp. Uh it's like
different out there. Like you're going to slice sidewall a lot more than like down evil. You slice tread a lot.
So like the EXO Plus doesn't do you any favors because it's only sidewall protection. Yeah.
Which is good for him. Good for good for that area. Yeah. Yeah. So it makes me nervous riding in the desert is Yeah. You're just like you're
rolling. You miss the rock but your tire still hits the rock and gets kind of caught on it and slices it and it's like
no. I have a funny story of so in Grand Junction where CMU is met my girlfriend there Sophie and we were uh riding one
day and as you're saying Sophie's a master of missing the rocks with her tires but hitting everything else on
them and we rode through this one little rock squeeze and uh I watched her ride
like derailer like directly into we did like a little and I was like oh
man like what are you doing and but it was all good like it was like slightly
bent uh hanger but we like got enough straight enough for the ride. Kept riding and we ended up doing like the
same climb trail and coming back up and uh she was leading again. I was like, "Man, there's no way she's going to do
it again. Like, she's going to see it. She'll take a different line. She'll do something different and like 2 derailer
like boom straight on." And I was and that I was like, "Yeah, it's just desert riding to an extent." Like you do just
hit things. You hit pedals. I broken I think I Grand Junction claimed more pedals than anything else. Wow. I I had
like an entire box of Shimano pedals that I was just breaking cuz you would break everything. Bent spindles, bent
everything from Wow. just smashing into things on rocks. Yeah. Rocks. Cuz it's just like that
janky techy where you're like having to pick up at the right time and you're a microcond off and you're smoking a pedal and then it doesn't spin
anymore. Wow. Brutal. That's impressive. It is impressive. You don't hear about people smashing breaking pedals very
often. Wow. That's I mean I guess in Grand Junction Grand Junction and Tideman and Tidman Tideman.
Wow. Yeah, that I'll I'll uh we'll finish it off with this. I don't want to throw Ben on the bus too much, but you kind of
reminded me I almost watched Ben fly off a cliff and it's very scary on First Divide. There's a little rock squeeze
and uh I don't know if he was looking at something else looking in front of him. First Divide is like on the cliff edge,
right? Yeah. with the it's like the pedal stuff. It had some janky RG bargy spots
and there's a little rock squeeze in there. Yes. And he clipped pedal I believe on the left and like swapped back and forth and
was pointing off of the cliff and like that is a sketchy section. Both feet unclipped and like saved it
and I was just like, "Ben, what are you doing?" Yeah. Yeah.
So proper cliff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't want to fall there. Yeah,
we even heard from one of the motos. One of the motos had a little tip over. They were That was scared me more on the moto.
They were really along for the ride. Horse marshall tipped over on the third divide bridge
like getting onto the getting onto it. Oh wow. He tipped over bike tipped over with him. Yeah.
And he got a AC separation his shoulder down into the like down into the creek.
Bike on top. Him and Gary with the AC separation pulled this bike up. said it took them
50 minutes to get the bike back up to the trail and they were course sweep. Yeah. And they were left out there and they're
the last people out there. Oh no. And like medical crew is going home when they pulled up and they're
like um no we need you. Like they're like you didn't check that
course sweep was back. Like what is go you know like so your course sweep. Yeah I know.
Who sweeps the sweep? Who sweeps the sweep? Someone should check on the sweep. Sweep.
That sucks. He probably just stalled it. Yeah. Yeah. Little tip over. Yeah. Bummer.
And I'll keep getting it longer and longer, but there was uh Did you hear about Gino's? The tree that fell in
front of Gino. So yeah, mid downhill run, Gino's like knocking trees over. Come gets onto the road section before
First Divide after the after Third Divide. Uh sectioning. Yeah. You do that little
bridge crossing, little climb, go past the aid station, then you're kind of climbing up where the helicopter always lands. And apparently like 50 feet in
front of him. He watched a tree come down like full fell in the blocked the road up. It was only a couple inch or
probably like a foot and a half tall. So you could just bunny hop right over the center. It like broke perfectly in the center of the road. But yeah, Gino full
tree fell and still one that won it. And did you guys have to do I had to bunny hop it, but then you said it was gone by you. Yeah,
he was only 5 minutes in front of me. So they were clearing it quick. Like when I got there there was Oh, they had already cleared it. Yeah,
they cut out like a 3 4ft section of it and there's like the the people from the helicopter, the fire crew and like maybe
one course marshal there and I don't know whether they probably used an axe or something deadfall. It's always something broke away pretty
easily. That's very random. But yeah, Dr. Rob I was talking to behind Kabush in front of Gino.
Yeah. And then he bunny hopped and by the time I got there they said he said something on the fire road, the first course
marshal and I was just like I don't know what he said. Good job or something like I'm not listening.
Yeah. Yeah. totally like you know that's how it sounds as I'm going by I'm like oh whatever and then I come
around this kind of it was close to the cornerish yeah it was like kind of in the corner yeah and I see the tree down and people
standing around it and I just made like a quick look I'm like all right well there's an open path I'm going to go but I was like then I thought about I'm like
oh they probably told me the tree was down and then but they had already cleared it so I rode right through it but yeah
wow hammer down yeah never a dull moment seriously never dull moment at down mill
amazing Yeah. Awesome. Well, Tyman, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. It was seriously a pleasure having you
on to be here. Yeah. Super awesome. And uh love living vicariously through you guys in the
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